about the feminism/WR area?

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fleacircus Sat 05-Oct-13 05:26:35

I don't like dogs, and I think most television is irredeemably stupid drivel and that there's no excuse for anyone with an actual life of their own to watch 'Made in Chelsea', and although I like knitting I don't really get the point of scrap-booking. Those are my opinions, and I'm entitled to hold them, and I would construct arguments to support them if pushed, but I don't go onto the TV thread and find people who like 'Made in Chelsea' and then go on about how wrong they are and when they get angry keep saying 'you just can't take it that other people don't share your opinions' until they get bored and give up on the thread altogether.

And I've got all the kids I want, thank you very much, so I'm not TTC, and I was lucky to conceive my kids in a very straightforward manner, so I don't actually know anything about how it feels not to, and I don't have any useful advice or insights for those who are TTC, and I don't have any medical expertise about TTC, so I've set my MN preferences not to display those threads.

So why is it that people who clearly have no interest in feminism or women's rights, and no knowledge of the often complex political, social and personal ideas being explored, and don't actually hope to learn anything or contribute anything of any value, hang around that area spoiling for a fight? Because there's a whole section of MN dedicated to expressing your opinions. It's this one. There's a question mark in the title and everything.

Or AIBU?

kotinka Mon 07-Oct-13 23:48:53

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kotinka Mon 07-Oct-13 23:49:39

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AnyFucker Mon 07-Oct-13 23:51:01

They surely do, kotinka

AnyFucker Mon 07-Oct-13 23:52:01

All those men been oppressed for centuries on account of their gender needed an outlet, obvs

Me too.

Night all, and thanks.

NicholasTeakozy Tue 08-Oct-13 06:59:43

Or talk of powerful 'Jewish' banks like goldmans.

So Larry, is it anti-semitic to point out that Goldman Sachs are a bunch of criminals? Whilst I'm here, good try but hard lines. Your usual tactic is to attempt to derail, this time it hasn't been entirely successful.

Suelford Tue 08-Oct-13 10:13:15

This is a perfect example of why the FWR boards are viewed as hostile. Larry posts a pretty reasonable analogy about two different groups. It's not a perfect 1:1 similarity, but it gets the idea across.

But instead of addressing the content of his post, posters will attack the delivery of it in order to avoid thinking about his point. "OMG you're calling feminists racists!" Of course, if one were to do the same to a pro-feminist post, you'd be lambasted for trolling/derailing/missing the point, etc.

Grennie Tue 08-Oct-13 10:17:36

This is AIBU, not FWR. And we are allowed to disagree.

garlicvampire Tue 08-Oct-13 10:39:11

Well, yeah, but ... Larry was saying that the feminist view of patriarchy is like the anti-semitic theory of jewish conspiracy. That is, paranoid & inaccurate.

Anti-semitism is vindictive. It has led to mass exterminations of humans being excused on grounds of the victims' heritage.

Feminism isn't vindictive and has never led to a pogrom against men.

Through this analogy, Larry suggested that feminism's as unfounded and malicious as anti-semitism. It actually bears no comparison at all. Larry's accusation is a serious one and deserves to be shredded.

youretoastmildred Tue 08-Oct-13 10:40:01

I really can't see how you can consider it "pretty reasonable" to compare anti-semitic vile tosh about a Jewish conspiracy, to feminist discussion of the patriarchy and how it works. One is racist nonsense and the other is mainstream feminism. If you think it is "missing the point" to call this out, and to highlight this persons's very clear position vis a vis feminism as demonstrated by this, then you have a very different idea of what the point is.

Larry is saying "of course, though being so often in agreement, this is the sort of feminism I must object to - the sort which oppresses men in a a similar manner to the way in which traditional establishment anti-semitism oppresses Jews". If you can let that go without saying "wtf?" then you are being absolutely hoodwinked. as to the nature of feminism, and to the nature of Larry.

this, by the way, is the content of his post.

youretoastmildred Tue 08-Oct-13 10:40:20

x-posted with garlic

Pan Tue 08-Oct-13 10:45:12

Overall, if posters don't like the F/WR board, then don't go there? It isn't the first, last or only source of info./support/ideas exchange in the world regarding womens rights in this country or abroad - there's RL, as well as multiple on-line options. If it doesn't serve your need in one particular regard, then don't use it for that particular need. I have it hidden.

As posters, you aren't contractually obliged to respond to every post you disagree with, nor 'appreciate' other poster's posting style, be it 'academic or otherwise. I'm an 'interventionist' by nature ( who always thinks he's right in being so!), so used to be a bit impatient with reading the meandering debates, but I know that about me, so when I used to read there I'd sit on my hands a lot, and never 'debate' feminism.

If posters were clearer on their expectations and boundaries there'd prob be much less misunderstanding. ime.

Grennie Tue 08-Oct-13 10:49:28

Yes there are lots of other online feminism boards. From more "basic" ones like the facebook group Everyday Sexism to ones debating feminist theory.

And you know, the feel of a board is set by those who post there. So if you don't like the current threads, then start a new one.

IceBeing Tue 08-Oct-13 12:47:59

lrd p&g are proctor and gamble...they make amongst other things scented tampons.

I think it is safe to day that the majority of their empire is built on undermining women's self confidence. I don't know if that is as morally wrong as addicting people to tabacco but I have my suspicions.

IceBeing Tue 08-Oct-13 12:49:24

There are some people on MN who I am NEVER EVER on the same side of the argument as. Larry is one of those people.

IceBeing Tue 08-Oct-13 12:51:21

Although to qualify my previous post I think I only encounter larry on threads in about hitting children or feminism. Maybe we totally agree about Bfing, back sleeping, and whether or not Benedict Cumberbatch is hot....

Thanks for clarifying, ice.

BasilBabyEater Tue 08-Oct-13 13:39:17

I think everyone is absolutely entitled to be hostile to posters who are consistently hostile to them tbh

Threalamandaclarke Thu 10-Oct-13 08:46:17

<clears throat>
Well, I have popped back "over there" and it's great. I am learning a lot and so far it's a comfortable place to chat.

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