To think that a blanket ban on benefits for under 25s

(326 Posts)
pointythings Wed 02-Oct-13 12:23:31

Is not only blatantly unfair but also unworkable?

Under a future Tory government, you can leave school at 18, work, lose your job at 23 and be forced straight onto workfare, because you are not eligible for benefits - never mind that you've worked and paid in!

And isn't it blatant age discrimination? Every time I think the Conservatices can't sink any lower, they do...

HarryStottle Wed 02-Oct-13 14:11:36

When I was 18 my mother died. My dad was already dad. I had just finished A levels which I had completely failed because I had been focussed on my mother in the last months of her terminal illness.
I was told by the benefits people I wasn't entitled and their attitude was foul. My mother had paid for a holiday that I was about to go on and they saw that as evidence that I wasn't in financial difficulty.
I was actually lucky - I had grown up siblings who could offer me a roof over my head and some financial help till I got a job. I have long wondered what would have happened had I not had support.
That experience has in part shaped who I am and my political beliefs today.
This govt is absolutely terrifying.

HarryStottle Wed 02-Oct-13 14:12:41

*my dad was already dead (as well as a dad - a dead dad)

Lj8893 Wed 02-Oct-13 14:42:26

That's crazy!!! I'm 25 but my partner (the main earner in our home) is 20. We currently don't claim anything but will this include working and child tax credits?! As we will (were) eligible for them once our baby is born in a few weeks time!

Madness, I moved out of home at 19 and have been working full time since I was 18! And that's not unusual.

Dawndonnaagain Wed 02-Oct-13 14:42:52
Coffeenowplease Wed 02-Oct-13 15:29:55

This is awful. I am 25 and have studied very hard. I had a year out - worked.
Then went to uni - worked and paid huge fees to do so. Got a grant too as my parent didn't have a lot of money.
Then i did a masters. I took out a bank loan to do so and again paid huge fees. Oh and again I worked.

Next I graduated with my masters and thank god managed to get a job straight away as under 25s didn't get full housing.

2 years later I am now unemployed. I am well qualified and experienced in a scientific field but unemployed. I am also STILL not entitled to full HB as the age is now 30. So my JSA and HB just about covers the rent and the payback of the loan I (stupidly thinking it would enhance my career) took out to do my masters leaving me with nothing. NOTHING. No food no bill money nothing.

Thankfully I put in so much over time when I heard my contract was not being renewed I have a tiny amount to live on for ooh a few weeks...

Now imagine if I hadnt got a job straight away at 23 and there was no benefits for under 25s ? I would have had to move from a big city where I had a home of my own, a good chance of getting a job in my field to er where ? My parent ? Well I hope they would have had me but not everyone can. Other children, illness,disability means this isnt always possible.

I worked so hard. This is an insult it really is. My birthday is next month so Im so glad this wont affect me now but i really feel for anyone this affects if they manage to do it.

Coffeenowplease Wed 02-Oct-13 15:30:50

Parents* Please excuse poor typing I am angry

NotYoMomma Wed 02-Oct-13 15:42:28

I worked part time all through Uni - and worked at Northern Rock in a minion role.

when the 2007 shit hit the fan I was just about to start my masters (I had to scrap that to do more hours and survive) and then worked full time.

my full time job then got put at risk 3 times!

I survived (just) but if I had lost my job I wouldnt have had even a sniff of help from anyone?

I was newly married with no children, I would have had NOTHING. should I have left my (at the time low earning) fiance and moved back in with my mum

CharlieAlphaKiloEcho Wed 02-Oct-13 15:55:34

But surely all those under 25 should be in university with loans or living off mummy and daddy?

Wait, hang on, that's just how the Tories were raised...

therumoursaretrue Wed 02-Oct-13 15:57:25

What a pack of utterly clueless ballbags.

Itstartshere Wed 02-Oct-13 15:59:20

It's so naïve. There are so many young people who have left care, or abusive homes or are graduates but can't get work. It's dismissing a whole generation just when they need support. It's hard enough entering adulthood and making your way in the world without this.

The Tories are so blinkered, so utterly clueless about how most people live. David Cameron doesn't even know how much a loaf of bread costs.

Elfhame Wed 02-Oct-13 15:59:48

I am actually getting frightened about the Tories getting in at the next election.

fluffyraggies Wed 02-Oct-13 16:06:32

so if my dd left for university but had to come back home and couldn't find a job. she would be allowed to stay in my home but not claim anything.

If you're in social housing she wouldn't even have the spare bedroom to come back to pirate if the government had their way!

I think it's a ridiculous idea. 25 makes you an adult, not a school leaver. A quirk of my DOB meant that I started university aged 17 and graduated aged 21. I got a full time, NMW paying, job so I could try to save some money to go back and do a masters. In the mean time, I moved in with my DP and got pregnant, we now have an 8mo DS. I am going back to work in about 3 weeks time, unless my boss is unable to change my hours to something that suits us so we can afford childcare. If I was to hand in my notice is Cameron honestly trying to say that I shouldn't be allowed to claim JSA because I'm "only" 23, because I should be learning if I'm in between jobs? Despite having paid NI contributions since I was 16 and working my way through school and uni? Despite having already completed my degree? And the mean time my son does what? Freezes because we can't heat our home?

<rage>

Coffeenowplease Wed 02-Oct-13 16:08:08

Isnt this age discrimination of some sort ?

Actually with support I think this is a great idea. IF it was delivered by a labour government.

I heard Cameron say 'earn or learn' rather than ban on benefits. So, if this was delivered by people having the choice of :
a) a government guaranteed job or apprenticeship that paid a living wage or is subsidized by the government to a living wage
or
b) Further education funded by the government, including living expenses
or c) raising children to the age of 5 and being supported to do so

I would think this was a bloody great idea.

Did I get the wrong end of the pointy Tory stick?

DiamondMask Wed 02-Oct-13 16:12:47

Even if a young person goes to university they leave at 21. And then what if they cant find a job? Not everyone can go back to parents. On the streets starving is what if there's no HB and no Job seekers (the article I read said no job seekers either)
WTAF

NotYoMomma Wed 02-Oct-13 16:15:54

where are these government garanteed jobs then? lol

oh wait... they will bung them straight into workfare.

and what if you have already learned and got your degree and are looking for work?

Will the government just fund another masters for you, or pop you on a job centre literacy course because you must obviously be an uneducated thicko?

25 is ridiculous age!

bigbrick Wed 02-Oct-13 16:16:35

Why make some pay further eduction fees and then pay others to sit at home?

BrokenSunglasses Wed 02-Oct-13 16:16:59

I think us parents are going to have to start getting our heads around the idea that our financial responsibility isn't going to end when our youngest turns 18.

Charlottehere Wed 02-Oct-13 16:22:12

Bad idea.

BangOn Wed 02-Oct-13 17:00:36

who in God's name are they actually trying to appeal to? only a psychopath would think any of their ideas are acceptable, & by that I mean someone with zero empathy. I hope to god there aren't enough of those registered to vote to actually swing an election.

MNHQ is busy peddling senseles (i suspect regurgiated) crap about how Cameron has a problem attracting female voters. With policies like that I should hope he'd have trouble attracting anyone with a pulse.

DiamondMask Wed 02-Oct-13 17:23:47

And those whose parents are on benefits themselves? Because maybe they are Carers? How are they going to absorb the cost of another adult or 2 or 3?

arethereanyleftatall Wed 02-Oct-13 17:26:51

I would agree with this policy. It just isn't right that you can go straight to benefits without working.

NotYoMomma Wed 02-Oct-13 17:27:45

even the language - gone back to calling it the dole when referencing young people.

its job seekers allowance they are referring to. you have to be looking for a Job or on a course anyway to qualify.

what about those 24 yrear olds in social housing who lose their jobs? Will the government support them in not paying their rent?

how is it even possible to consider just banning hb for people in housing? at any age?!

Stravy Wed 02-Oct-13 17:34:24

I would agree with this policy. It just isn't right that you can go straight to benefits without working.

People are taxed from 16 in the UK, not 25. It's bad enough that people are taxed under voting age imo. It reminds me of the suffragettes 'taxation without representation is tyranny'

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