To not want to be intimidated by an HGV driver on a busy motorway.

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I was on the motorway today. Fairly busy but fluid and freely flowing traffic.

I was travelling at about 55-65mph in the slow lane. I wasn't in a hurry and found myself approaching a car +caravan in lane 2.

As I was doing an acceptable and safe motorway speed and I was in no hurry I decided that I wwasn't going to weavve out to lane 3 to overtake and I wasn't going to break the law by 'undertaking'. I was also approaching my junction. I sat behind the caravan in my lane (ie ensuring I wasn't in the caravan blind spot).

An HGV approached from behind, and continued to drive in my estimation, less than 2 car lengths behind me. It was so close that all I could see in my mirror was the radiator grill. I literally could not see his winscreen. I could not see the number plate.

I touched my brakes gently couple of times to indicate that he was uncomfortably close.

A couple of minutes late rhe was using his horn to tell me to move.

As it was a 4 lane motorway it would have been legal for the lorry to move out to lane 3 if he was tgat desperate. Meanwhile I felt intimidated and unsafe.

Amateurish Fri 04-Oct-13 14:56:46

The three of you were all driving badly. Brake testing the HGV is particularly dangerous, so definitely YABU.

Bumpotato Fri 04-Oct-13 14:18:14

*10 minute

Bumpotato Fri 04-Oct-13 14:17:21

I didn't say there was an excuse for it, just that it is a fact of life these days.

I personally don't road rage anyone but witness plenty of instances of it and I only do a 10 school/work run twice a day and seldom drive otherwise.

I saw someone speed up and veer towards a car that pulled out to turn right on on to the road I was on in front of me just yesterday. It was an attempt to intimidate the driver and completely unnecessary.

Bumpotato - in my opinion there is never an excuse to drive dangerously. Whether or not the OP could or should have gone past the caravan either in lane 1 or lane 3, the HGV driver was driving dangerously by tailgating her - he did not have to do that.

I have been stuck behind slow drivers, and yes, it is irritating, especially if you have a deadline or an appointment - but I still choose to drive safely.

Better to be late in this life than early in the next.

WMittens Fri 04-Oct-13 08:34:30

Caravans aren't allowed to go more than 55, I think

60mph https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

FergusSingsTheBlues Fri 04-Oct-13 06:40:09

Caravans aren't allowed to go more than 55, I think...in which it's a case if tough luck....lorry should have moved lanes

ilovecolinfirth Fri 04-Oct-13 06:02:45

Yanbu at all. I hate the way other road users feel its ok to intimidate. There was little you can do as your junction was coming up, and as you correctly state, you cannot undertake as one slow caravan does not mean the motorway is congested.

mirai Fri 04-Oct-13 04:52:33

Undertaking isn't illegal and it's what I would have done.

DolomitesDonkey Fri 04-Oct-13 03:53:56

OP is not only denying that she drove badly but is contradicting herself directly in her explanation/proof re: "I had plenty of time to overtake" vs. "Had I overtaken I'd have missed my exit". Pathetic.

inabeautifulplace Thu 03-Oct-13 22:58:23

It's the 11th commandment;

Thou must never admit to driving like a twat.

kiriwawa Thu 03-Oct-13 21:25:42

I can't believe this thread is still going. But then I can't believe the OP is stubbornly refusing that maybe her driving wasn't brilliant either.

I clearly need to manage my expectations about other drivers!

Bumpotato Thu 03-Oct-13 20:22:13

Oh good gracious no, but it is a fact of life these days, unfortunately.

Tavv Thu 03-Oct-13 20:19:06

> That expectation must be lowered, however, when you drive like a dick.

So do you think road rage is acceptable and some kind of justified monitoring of other people's driving skills?

Everyone is just trying to get from A to B. Why does it have to be so stressful?

Bumpotato Thu 03-Oct-13 19:17:10

That expectation must be lowered, however, when you drive like a dick.

Well said Tavv.

Tavv Thu 03-Oct-13 18:14:54

YANBU to expect courtesy and patience from other drivers.

Bumpotato Thu 03-Oct-13 18:03:49

Why post an AIBU if you clearly think you WBR?

Please read what I have said.

Yes I had time to overtake.
There was no opportunity. Traffic was constantly approaching the caravan from behind in lane 2 (as it does if there is a vehicle moving comparatively slowly on a multi lane toad).
The only opportunity that I had to move safely into lane 2 would have put me at risk of missing my exit.
No I was not driving alongside the caravan. I was following the caravan at a safe distance, but in my own lane.
The caravan could have pulled in if he wanted to.

I did not cause a change in my speed by breaking.
The HGV was not following me for the entire 4 miles.
In theory the HGV could overtake as it was a 4 lane stretch of motorway but would have had the same problems pulling out I did etc.
I know there are no slow and fast lanes - I merely used those terms as it is clear which lanes I mean (I have seen confusion on previous threads when some people use nearside/offside or just numbers.

I spoke to my neighbour when I got home to ask if I should have been bullied into making an illegal maneuver.
I posted on MN to have a bit of a rant late at night because I was still feeling intimidated. Different purposes.).

NeverGetTheBestOfMe Wed 02-Oct-13 15:05:54

"it is my understanding that either a) the caravan had been in the inside lane, until the lane that the OP was on ran in alongside the caravan's lane, making it lane 2, and the OP's lane, lane 1, or b) the caravan had moved over to lane 2 to allow traffic from the slip road onto the motorway (which is the right and proper thing to do) - and then either way, the caravan couldn't move back into lane 1, because the OP was there."

That is how I read the situation too. Plus it seems more like the OP didn't overtake the caravan because they couldn't be bothered to "weave" in and out the lanes because they weren't in a hurry so instead chose to sit and do 55mph in lane 1. The lorry driver and the caravan were wrong but the who thing just sounds like lazy driving to me and the whole situation could have been avoided had the OP not been lazy and just overtaken the caravan in the first place which is a what a good, confident driver would do on a motorway.

In my driving test I got a minor point for doing 30mph in a 40mph zone because it showed lack of awareness of the speed limit for the road and I wasn't going in flow with the traffic. Going too slow can be just as dangerous as going too fast.

gobbynorthernbird Wed 02-Oct-13 14:37:39

Davs, exactly.

Davsmum Wed 02-Oct-13 14:14:05

So the OP had time to overtake the caravan before she reached the next junction - Surely the next junction was not within yards of the slip road for traffic joining the MWay?

So the OP and caravan were driving alongside each other?!

Davsmum - it is my understanding that either a) the caravan had been in the inside lane, until the lane that the OP was on ran in alongside the caravan's lane, making it lane 2, and the OP's lane, lane 1, or b) the caravan had moved over to lane 2 to allow traffic from the slip road onto the motorway (which is the right and proper thing to do) - and then either way, the caravan couldn't move back into lane 1, because the OP was there.

gobbynorthernbird Wed 02-Oct-13 10:00:48

As the OP was coming off at the next junction, then I don't see it as a problem.

But if OP had had to brake, had a blowout, whatever there would have been a massive problem. So the OP should have driven defensively, not brake checked a HGV (seriously, who does that with 40 tons and not enough stopping distance behind them?) and got out of the situation.
Nobody should tailgate, but if someone does, the only thing to do is take evasive action, not try to police their behaviour.

DuckToWater Wed 02-Oct-13 09:57:36

Yes, doing anything which causes others to break sharply is dangerous, but people shouldn't be doing anywhere near 95 mph on a motorway, you are looking at points on licence and a fine if there are police cars or cameras. Over 100, you are looking at a ban from driving.

A lot of contributors on this thread need to do a defensive driving course, and stop treating the motorway like a race.

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