"We should turn a blind eye to underage drinking in pubs"

(56 Posts)
Bogeyface Mon 30-Sep-13 22:33:10

As said last night by an old mate of ours who has been running pubs since Noah was a boy.

He backed this up by saying that people my age (40 eek!) snuck into pubs with either our fake ID or too much make up and a veneer of confidence, and learned how to drink. We learned how to behave in pubs when we were too poor to get plastered, we learned what alcohol did to us, and by the time we were 18 it was nothing new. He said he preferred to have a few 15/16 year olds having a pint that lasted all night than what he has now which is brand new legal drinkers absolutely hammering it and getting totally off their faces every weekend. He blames the clamp down on underage drinking for a lot of the binge drinking that goes on now, because kids at 18 have more money and freedom than those a couple of years younger, often they are away at Uni, so have nothing stopping them from getting battered.

My first reaction was "Dont talk crap!" but then I thought about it, and I think that he may have a point. I know a lot of parents who dont allow their children to drink at home until 18, which mystifies the whole thing and again, doesnt allow them to learn in a safe environment.

AIBU to think that he may be right in that our underage sneaking into pubs stopped us from ending up in the paper with our knickers around our ankles in a puddle of our own piss?

FortyDoorsToNowhere Tue 01-Oct-13 20:33:35

at 16 i was earning £140 per week. I used to go out and get hammered.

Perhaps 18-16 should have a 2 drink rule in pubs and if the bouncers think you have been drinking no entry.

ILikeBirds Tue 01-Oct-13 20:56:21

When i was 16 the local police stated that they preferred underage teenagers in the pubs drinking where reasonable behaviour was expected than out on the streets drinking with nobody keeping an eye on them. The latter lead to far more trouble than the former. This was about 18 years ago.

I wouldn't say there was any pretence though. We had sixth form socials from age 16 held in a pub with teachers in attendance and everyone drinking well aware that just about everyone was underage. The pub nearest our school would serve teenagers in school uniform!

ILikeBirds Tue 01-Oct-13 20:59:38

Incidentally I was in a bar the other day and I saw a sign saying Hoopers Hooch was back!!

Lisavarna Tue 01-Oct-13 21:15:58

I really am not sure on this one.

There is a pile of medically accepted research now which wasnt around when i was a teenager (the 80's) which states clearly that the effect of exessive alcohol on the brain of teenagers is quite damaging, in that it can interrupt and hinder that proper development, leading to permanent damage which manifests itself as a kind of emotional immaturity and arrested development.

There seems to be physical and psychological damage there as a result of alcohol specifially to the teenagers developing brain. This would worry me. I like the idea of being all liberal and french about allowing my soon to be teenagers to drink, but then this research makes me stop and think twice about that.

WorrySighWorrySigh Tue 01-Oct-13 21:16:28

Something which has changed since my younger days is the extent to which people drink spirits. I would like to see spirits become a lot less prevalent.

In reply to RealAleandOpenFires what I would prefer to see is:

- no alcohol stronger than say 15% by volume to be sold - ie no shots, any spirits to be well diluted
- any alcohol stronger than say 6% to be sold in wine glass size measures with the largest glass size being 150ml
- any licencee caught serving the seriously drunk risks losing their licence very quickly

Establishments following the above would be allowed to serve alcohol to anyone over the age of 16.

Establishments wishing to serve stronger drinks would be required to obtain a different licence and would have to have a door policy which excluded drinkers under the age of 21. These establishments would also have a presumed responsibility for anyone who had been drinking on the premises and who had to be dealt with by Police/hospital afterwards. This would be a 'last drink' policy. Wherever a drunk had obtained their final drink would have some responsibility for the mayhem their clientele caused.

I agree. If teens want to drink they will, so it's not a choice of them drinking in a pub or not drinking at all - really the choice is the park or the pub.

I like the sound of the German system someone outlined upthread although I'm not sure clubs are the right places.

Maybe pubs could apply for a special licence to serve 16-17 y/o's weaker alcoholic drinks - those that did happy hours or 2-for-1 shots would not be the sort of places that would be granted licences. They would also be expected to strictly abide by the not serving drunk people (of any age) rule.

I can't see many teens being able to afford pub prices though.

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