Religion and Children's TV?

(96 Posts)
Insanityismymiddlename Sun 29-Sep-13 09:47:47

Just watching Mr Blooms nursery and the episode is about the harvest festival, children are singing "all things bright and beautiful" and thanking god for the harvest.

Surely if we aren't allowed to have religion in non dominational(sp?) Schools then it shouldn't be on a children's TV show.

I mean we aren't allowed to celebrate Christmas now a days its "happy holidays" so not to offend other cultures so why is this any different.

Not actually bothered myself we aren't a christian household and have our own religions but just live and let live, I just think its a weird contradiction, AIBU?

Sparklymommy Sun 29-Sep-13 13:17:21

Sorry, missed out the last line: should read:

*and the creed and the colour and the name won't matter,
I'll be there*

EduCated Sun 29-Sep-13 13:52:01

It's also the same song with 'I was cold, I was naked'. Sadly I think this may have led to many children missing the intended point of the song wink

StitchingMoss Sun 29-Sep-13 15:40:10
MaidOfStars Sun 29-Sep-13 17:28:09

Please someone tell me that what I'm reading isn't true...I do not, under any circumstances, want any child of mine performing a daily act of worship. I most definitely want every child in the country taught comparative religion in an impartial secular fashion.

If the 'daily act of worship' sometimes means singing a hymn in assembly, fine. If it means giving daily thanks to a Christian God, as if said God is real, then not fine.

Would I really have to go private? (Not at all looking for genuine excuse to gain moral high ground re:private schooling....Heaven - ha - forbid!)

Sorry, Maid. The law requires schools to have a daily "act of worship of a broadly Christian nature" regardless of its foundation. No implication of doubt or alternatives.

That is separate from RE, by the way, which is meant to be comparative and descriptive.

It's a ridiculous anomaly IMHO.

StitchingMoss Sun 29-Sep-13 17:37:40

It's very losely put into practise in most schools Maid and I can't imagine it's much different in most private schools tbh.

StitchingMoss Sun 29-Sep-13 17:38:20

Agree with Horry, it's a ridiculous law.

thegreylady Sun 29-Sep-13 18:04:32

How about saluting the flag or singing the national anthem as they do in America? If you choose a state school there will be some corporate worship and you'd be pushed to find an independent that didn't. You have the choice to ask that your child be withdrawn of course. As for Mr Bloom, your tv has an off button and you can indoctrinate your children with your pov as surely as the school can.

kim147 Sun 29-Sep-13 18:12:35

A daily act of worship thread!! Love these.

It's quite simple. Children should not be expected to worship / pray to God as part of their school day. If parents want that, they can do it in their own time.

It does not mean you are banned from praying to God. It just does not make worship and belief the default

Children should be taught about religion. There's some good stories in religions that teach about ethics. There's also stories from non -religious backgrounds. Knowing about a faith is interesting.

But they should not have to pray. And saying they can be withdrawn makes the positive action of belief the default.

PenelopePipPop Sun 29-Sep-13 18:14:20

Our head of state is head of the established church. The bishops of this established church sit in our legislature. And you are upset by references to the harvest festival on Mr Bloom?

Jesus wept (metaphorically).

MrsFruitcake Sun 29-Sep-13 18:46:18

Where's the issue? Ours is a C of E school and the children do have a daily act of worship. The school also has a yearly church inspection. It's the only school in the area that has a an 'Outstanding' Ofsted rating so is vastly over-subscribed.

They also learn about other religions and DD did a project on Eid.

if you don't like it, don't send your child to a school such as DDs and as someone upthread said, turn the TV off if it offends, I find I often do.

Spikeytree Sun 29-Sep-13 18:50:50

That hymn is 'When I needed a neighbour'

StitchingMoss Sun 29-Sep-13 19:02:08

Mrsfruitcake, we can't choose not to send our children to a school that does a daily act of worship - they're aren't any!

MrsFruitcake Sun 29-Sep-13 19:05:56

You can ask for your child be excluded though?

Lonecatwithkitten Sun 29-Sep-13 19:08:11

Maid in the private sector you are likely to find religion much stronger than in the state sector. Many, many private schools were originally church schools and have a strong religious element to the school life.
You are entitled to remove your child from collective worship.

StitchingMoss Sun 29-Sep-13 19:09:45

How lovely MrsFruitCake - just what I want for my child, to be excluded hmm.

Alternatively they could ditch the daily act of worship and leave religious practise for the home where it should be.

I'm yet to hear a cogent argument for retaining the requirement in all schools. Assembly is defensible; collective worship isn't.

I'm a practising Christian, FWIW. I'm not coming at this from a position of "don't force your religion on my child".

StitchingMoss Sun 29-Sep-13 19:25:19

I used to do assemblies as a teacher and would do a story with a moral and then have some quiet "reflective" time. Job done. If OFSTED had seen it they would have failed me because I didn't mention god!

kim147 Sun 29-Sep-13 20:51:07

I get really pissed off with the "well, they can ask to be excluded from assembly" argument.

Can anyone explain why there should be an act of worship? And that my DC should have to make the effort to ask to be excluded from?

It's a bit like singing the praises of a football team in assembly just because some people support that team and telling the others to participate or get out.

Not having the act of worship would make no difference to believers. They can worship in their time and in their space.

I don't expect an act of non-worship / disbelief everyday. And I can't see why we need an act of mainly Christian worship.

exexpat Sun 29-Sep-13 20:59:10

MaidOfStars - don't worry, there is no need to go private because that won't help you avoid religion. As as far as I can tell, 99% of private schools also have some kind of Christian (or occasionally other religious) ethos, and very similar assemblies to state schools, if anything with more traditional hymns. If you feel very strongly about it, there is a legal right to withdraw your children from religious assemblies at state schools, but that wouldn't apply in private schools - they might be able to accommodate that kind of request, but they wouldn't be legally obliged to.

In the meantime, you might want to join the National Secular Society's campaigns to remove religious worship from state schools and end religious discrimination in admissions to state schools.

kim147 Sun 29-Sep-13 21:04:31

TBF, most primaries I've worked in don't mention God or do a daily act of worship.

The CofE ones vary in their seriousness - some do the full works with candles, prayers before lunch and the end of the day whilst others do a prayer.

thegreylady Sun 29-Sep-13 21:06:30

If 98 parents out of a hundred are happy for their dc to attend a daily assembly which may include a hymn or a prayer and 2 are not;the easy solution is for the two to read quietly in a classroom with a TA.
The solution is not to get rid of the assembly to accommodate the 2.

kim147 Sun 29-Sep-13 21:08:57

thegreylady

Most parents just accept the default. Like the "tick C of E as religion".

I'm sure most parents would also be happy for there not to be an assembly with a hymn or a prayer.

Why should there be a hymn and a prayer when the children are too young to make their choice about a belief system?

thegreylady Sun 29-Sep-13 21:09:30

Many of our best state schools are affiliated to a faith.These schools are over subscribed because parents want the ethos and the results of these schools.Most schools do not include faith in the admission policy.Then along come parents who want what the school offers and then proceed to argue for the removal of the chief foundation that made the school so desirable in the first place.

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