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Prince William to leave the armed services(260 Posts)
I am a fan of the monarchy but this has just made me stop and think...
Hmmm – not going to a “full time royal” = part-time royal then. What's he doing with the rest of his time?
I'd be happy to give up my job to focus on royal work and charity duties if someone can tell me where to apply! Or am I just being mean and unreasonable that he can afford to?
People who serve in the Forces do deserve our respect because of the job they do and they have earnt that respect. I grew up with a Forces background and have family who serve so do understand a bit about it.
<Unlike people who expect respect because of accident of birth>
Ouch LtEve that was bloody harsh. I've been told i am personally and morally responsible for the historical atrocities committed by the MH services because I work for them. I think yours trumps mine though for horridness.
oh trust me, there have been threads on here that have made me go FUCKOFFFUCKOFFFUCKOFF, both in my head and on screen. Thankfully few and far between! Although the day I was called a baby killer that shouldn't be a mother or on MN was one that was hard to beat...
I kind of joined the Army by accident, it was something I wanted to do through my teens, but when I left school and got a job it went on the back boiler. I then had a horrible boss that sacked me, unfairly, to give his daughter a job. At that point I stamped my feet and said "right, that's it, I'm not going to work hard to make my boss richer" Public Service it was, and the Army came to the front again.
Although I have to admit, I was only signing for 5 years. But 23 years on.... Numbers were never my strong point.
I've enjoyed debating with you too! Obviously this is one of things few people are going to chance their minds on. Oddly enough I am one of life's fence sitters usually although I like to choose a side in a debate for dramatic effect.
As said above one thing I am adamant on is that I would never join the army in a million years, so find it fascinating to debate with somebody who would actually give their life (literally if it came to that) for it. MN is great that way because you can hardly say to someone you meet at a party "You're in the army? But WHY?"
Oh you do hold your own LtEve. I do admire you from your posts which reflect your unassuming certainty about what you do and what you believe in. We may not share the same views but I do respect your fair and never rude defence of them and hope to be that way one day .
How funny Butwilliseeyou . I can be a dick sometimes too. I'm glad you didn't take offence, I've enjoyed debating with you.
Mignonette, don't worry, I get it. I have no issue with Republicans, not at all. I don't like slagging people off (no matter who they are) for the sake of it, but I quite understand those people that wish we didn't have a Royal Family. My 'Royalist' tendencies are almost completely confined to those serving or who have served - I have no time for 'hangers-on'. The only time I get pissed off is over the smoke and mirrors stuff, but I reckon I can hold my own there
This is an interesting debate. I'm not actually a republican, nor am I a royallist.
I find the whole miltary thing fascinating because I would never join the army. Interesting to get the other side of the story even though I wind people up a bit
But . LtEve has actually made me change my mind on another matter because of her reasoned debate. I won't change my mind on this one though .
I POsted saying FYI LtEve I didn't get your post deleted for calling me a dick. In fact I found it quite funny. That post was then itself deleted. I don't know why. Can I call myself a dick? I'm a dick! I'm a dick! <waits>
Onesleep we were having problems with our housing. The RAF families federation went to him as he was chief executive of defence estates. He had it sorted and we had our new house ready within 9 weeks. We had been fighting for well over a year by that point.
Kate's job is to look good judging by the pictures in the papers this morning.
Oh yes, hard working
Someone organises her day. Someone tells her what to do step by step. Someone takes her there. She does something a trained monkey could do (cheer up hospital wards, cut ribbons)
Lets not forget all that hard work at home everyone else does!
Someone fills her kitchen, someone cooks for her. Someone else cleans, pays her bills, looks after and raises her children, organises any social, charity events. Micro manages any occasion she may have to leave the house. Does her makeup, washes her hair...
I could go on. But I have just realised that my rant about Princess Anne ended up being about Kate, the queen etc.
I'm not disavowing. I am actually saying that if i used a less conservative figure because on many days she does 5/6 engagements and that would significantly bring down her working days per year. i was actually being 'generous' to her. She actually works less than 75 days per year if you apply the 5/day calculation.
Sorry but if you truly believe anne works as hard as normal working people of this country you are absolutely deluded. She'd never cope w/ my DH's work load/ She'd never cope w/ mine. We all do preparation. That is nothing special. She has it all laid out on a plate. Do you truly believe she does her own research/trawls the internet/reference librairies like the rest of us do? No it is all prepared in bullet point for her to read. it takes her far less time. And to be honest w/ the dilettante life of luxury they all lead, I bloody well expect them to be well briefed because they have plenty of time to be (even though they often are not or at least have trouble retaining real life information).
And helicopter travel does cut time. That is the point of it. Otherwise why have HEMS? So do private trains/services where you are the only one on/where you do not have to walk/bus/drive to the station then wait on the platform then walk/bus/tube at the other end. A private door to door chauffeur cuts time. If i had a private chaffeur w/ security escort I could do all my DV's in a fraction of the time.
I cannot believe you truly think her travel time is the same as an ordinary Joe's. Really?
My apologies - I have referenced, even linked, simultaneous threads where the same point is made numerous times in the past without adverse comment and so had no idea that when pertinent it was bad form.
Her travel may be comfier, but that does not reduce the time. And she may indeed use resources complied by others (hardly unique).
It is interesting to see how you are now disavowing your earlier assertion of how many days. For even if she did only 1 hour background reading and speech delivery preparation per engagement, the amount of working time would increase vastly.
I also stated that I had generously over estimated the actual engagements per day Edith. If i actually based it upon the usual four or more per day she does then her yearly working days dramatically decline. Go figure.
Very bad form to reference another thread Edith. Anyway I stand by them. If anne wants to do all her prep work herself, dispense w/ the ladies in waiting, the PS's, the limousines and chauffeurs, the train carriages all to herself, the helicopters and private luxurious travel arrangements, then and only then will she be worthy of being deemed hard working. She is not hard working.
Teachers have to do all their prep themselves. They drive themselves to work. They have to deal with the crappy commute. They even have to hold their own bag, thank you flowers and briefing notes. They are subjected to rigorous peer, managerial and governmental review. Anne is not. We cannot remove her. We are stuck with them.
Edith you have been suckered. Poor you.
Tim Lawrence retired from the Navy in 2010. He was pretty visible (to Forces families) in his last post, when he was trying to kick the Defence Estate into shape (huge direct impact on all those in Forces accommodation). Before that he had a full and varied Naval career.
mignonette posted her calculations about Princess Anne on another thread: demonstrating that it was 199 days to conduct the actual engagements themselves (not allowing for travel or preparation time). This is more than say, teachers (195 days) and not far off the normal working year (225 days when you have deducted weekends and holiday allowance), and doesn't include other demands on her time such as IOC role.
Aargh. Family, even.
Aargh. Family, even.
littlemiss I'm intrigued. We never see anything of Princess Anne's husband. How did he help your famy?
Same as Prince Edward, mignoette. He is seen in military uniform, the only serving he has done is a third of the training required for the Marines!
I like Princess Anne's DH, Tim Laurence. He actually helped my family and I so I have a bit of respect for him.
Yes that oath is the most bizarre thing. Dated and not reassuring. Might make some feel proud to take it but to be honest if you make an occasion solemn enough and full of pageantry, you could recite 'Have you seen the Muffin Man' and feel stirred by the occasion.
When did Anne serve in the forces then? She regularly sports her honorary rear admiral uniform. Or maybe seeing as she is famous for 'recycling' clothing she borrowed them from a serving relative?
How would she have credibility if she has not served? I have heard MNers talk of how proud their OH's are at having her as their CO. Would they follow her blindly into battle?
As to her 'work ethic' the 300-500 engagements she performs each year are usually doubled/tripled/quadrupled per day. So divide the total engagements by amounts of days spent upon and she actually only works to earn her civil list payments for about 1/3 of a year. Not that hardworking. But then the royals always did have the most tenuous grasp on the meaning of true hard work in the real world.
I'm not going to comment on entry requirements etc. as I am just a dumb civvie and therefore understand nothing of it but...
Can I just say that oath you guys take make me really nervous? I mean it reads like you are her personal body guards?
No mention I could see of allegiance to the UK.
Can they just use the army to bitch slap us if they ever (Please Universe) are democratically removed
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