National service bill

(23 Posts)
friday16 Sat 07-Sep-13 15:55:13

It's a nutcase bill proposed by nutcase backbenchers. The bunch of them are usually referred to as the Tory Taliban. You can get a sense of their idiocy from this list of the bills from their "alternative Queen's speech" (from which the national service nonsense is taken), and also from the fact that Guido Fawkes, who is normally not frightened of being thought right-wing, is mocking them.

order-order.com/2013/06/21/42-alternative-queens-speech-bills-in-full/

Margaret Thatcher Day, SSM referendum, privatise the BBC, withdraw from the EU and the ECHR, decriminalisation of workplace sexual harrasment ("Bill to require that claims by employees alleging sexual impropriety be limited to cases where the alleged misconduct is contrary to the criminal law and has been reported to the police."), etc, etc.

sisterofmercy Sat 07-Sep-13 14:10:45

National Service didn't end crime and unemployment the last time it was in force. It won't this time and would bankrupt the country. It will never come back.

ConcreteElephant Sat 07-Sep-13 13:16:36

As previous posters have said, it's a Private Member's Bill, with zero chance of getting anywhere unless the Government back it, which is extremely rare.

It's also a Philip Hollobone bill. As KittenCaboodle says, he's, erm, interesting. He and Peter Bone both introduce a number of interesting Bills each year, all on personal hobby horse topics, all controversial.

It's really not going to happen. Second reading due yesterday, objected to - second reading now not scheduled till end of Feb 2014.

Kidsarekarma Sat 07-Sep-13 13:08:21

I think it could be a valid option for younger adults with little prospect of finding work, say from age 16 to 18. And people who were already in work or higher/further education or with children of their own would be exempt.

Glad its unlikely, but still not entirely comfortable knowing it's not impossible!

Dawndonnaagain Sat 07-Sep-13 12:56:18

Right. It would seem (I may be wrong) from what I can find, it was first presented in 2010. It failed. That would, I imagine be why nothing has been seen in the press. It is possible it is being resurrected, but I doubt that it would get through. Riots would follow if it did, of that I am sure.

Dawndonnaagain Sat 07-Sep-13 12:52:25

The date on it is 24th June. I can't find if it's been to parliament yet.

KittenCaboodle Sat 07-Sep-13 12:51:29

There's no prospect of it becoming law. The MP behind it is, er, interesting:

see here

Lilymaid Sat 07-Sep-13 12:50:18

It is a private member's bill and probably low down in the ballot. These are often put together in order to get some debate about the concept as the likelihood of this bill getting even this government's support is nil.
If you look on this list you'll see several other unlikely pieces of proposed legislation that have been tabled recently.
If you want an example of another not very pleasant private member's bill, try this one.

LackingEnergy Sat 07-Sep-13 12:50:08

I don't think it should be compulsory for all 18-26 year olds

They'll pay you the adult nat min wage (from 1998?) for the year you serve
- Before I became a SAHM I earned well above that so it would been a significant pay cut. If I choose to go back to work it would again be above the nat min wage....
- Would have to pay for very long hours of child care so there goes most of that money

Scope of the scheme 1 a-d
- Already have/ already do/ if I didn't DH would have more than a few words to say about it

Scope of the scheme 2 i and iii
- I already do fairly regularly

Do you have to work with the armed forces?
- If not then apart from the above I have no real problem with it. Still wouldn't appreciate being told I had to like I'm some child incapable of looking after my self or my family :-/

- If you do have to work with the armed forces/ travel abroad ect then a big no thank you

This topic might be picked up by the wright stuff on monday ;)

meditrina Sat 07-Sep-13 12:48:48

It's a Private Members Bill.

There's another one at the moment for the privatisation of the BBC, which is also attracting zero publicity and is just as unlikey as this one to go anywhere.

Kim, I think so, and certainly hope so, but I still think it should be made more known, as theres always a possibility it will get through...

Who will decide who gets to do charity work and who is off to the armed forces? Will it be up to the individual or decided by the people in charge?

What if you are already studying at 18, and doing a long degree?

If you finish your medicine degree at 24, will you have to do your Junior doctor time at min wage, or will this be expected on top of that?

I don't like it. I don't know why though. I think I would rather like my children to do something voluntry rather that ordered to do it.
Also what if you are a carer at 18 (many jobless siblings childcare and do the school run so their parents work where I live)?
What if you are married with dependants at 18? Pregnant? What then? When I was in my 20s my parents were dependant on my income.
Times have changed!

kim147 Sat 07-Sep-13 12:39:36

Isn't this just one of those bills that don't actually get anywhere?

BatwingsAndButterflies Sat 07-Sep-13 12:39:14

If it were to come in (which I seriously don't think it will) would I have to take part? I'm 24 now and have a full time job, I can't just drop it for the sake of a year fucking about on minimum wage.

SkivingAgain Sat 07-Sep-13 12:37:41

I'm surprised this has not received any publicity, is it real!

Yes, the compulsory bit does bother me, but mainly it seems a bit vague
What happens if you already have children? Or are a carer? Ill but not "severely disabled"?

And where is the money coming from, if they're paying everyone who does it minimum wage, it's going to cost a lot more than benefits. Especially if the accommodation and food are included, then of course the cost of the staff salaries.

Is seems a huge contradiction, we apparently don't have the money to fix the issues with the education of children that lead to the problems of I really hate to use this but... 'broken Britain', so how is this going to work?

Onesleeptillwembley Sat 07-Sep-13 12:34:55

Hmmm, swelling the forces with a glut of canon fodder. This looks like forward planning for something.

MortifiedAdams Sat 07-Sep-13 12:27:05

Well, I think if young school leavers and beyond are having difficulty in finding work, then National Service should be offered expected

TidyDancer Sat 07-Sep-13 12:25:40

Is it just the compulsory bit that bothers you? Or something else in it?

How has this not been picked up by someone already! I rely on MN for most of my news wink

compulsory, not voluntary as it was when first mentioned

So, they are BU? Aren't they?

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