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to think that David Cameron's defence of Britain was quite sweet(46 Posts)
Oh for goodness sake. You can't not pick every little thing like that. It is one library. maybe we shouldn't spend on anything nice in this country at all ever. And last time I checked we aren't a third world country and we for have any sweat shops so don't talk rubbish about people dying because they have to go to work. Talk about evocative language.
Last time I checked David put Syria to a debate and is abiding by the majorities wishes. Unlike to tony Blair who did what the hell he wanted. Gordon brown thought it would be a good idea to sell the countries gold in the middle of a boom when prices were low. No foresight for this countries future whatsoever.
People have very short memories.
Last time I checked David put Syria to a debate and is abiding by the majorities wishes. Unlike to tony Blair who did what the hell he wanted. Gordon brown thought it would be a good idea to sell the countries gold in the middle of a boom when prices were low.
Oh look, he is talking about UK then says "this England" at the end.
Several countries make up the UK, though hopefully one less next year!
Will we be able to seek asylum in Scotland?
From the above link.
11-05-2012 10:18 PM#1
Join Date: Sep 2012Location: East SussexPosts: 114
ATOS Death toll....
More than a thousand sickness benefit claimants died last year after being told to get a job, we can reveal. We've highlighted worries about the controversial medical tests for people claiming Employment Support Allowance which are being used to slash the country's welfare bill. The Government has boasted that more than half of new claimants are found "fit to work" - failing to mention that over 300,000 have appealed the decision and almost 40% have won.
We've used the Freedom of Information Act to discover that, between January and August last year, 1,100 claimants died after they were put in the "work-related activity group". This group - which accounted for 21% of all claimants at the last count - get a lower rate of benefit for one year and are expected to go out and find work.
This compares to 5,300 deaths of people who were put in the "support group" -which accounts for 22% of claimants - for the most unwell, who get the full, no-strings benefit of up to £99.85 a week. We don't know how many people died after being found "fit to work", the third group, as that information was "not available".
We have also found that 1,600 people died before their assessment had been completed.
But there are plenty of tragic cases - such as that of David Groves who died from a heart attack the night before taking his work capability assessment. The 56year-old from Staveley, Derbyshire, worked for 40 years as a miner and telecoms engineer but stopped on doctors' orders after an earlier heart attack and a string of strokes. His widow Sandra said: "When Dave was called in for a medical, he felt like he was back to square one. "He wasin a terrible state by the day he died. It was the stress that killed him, I'm sure." Stephen Hill, 53, of Duckmanton, Derbyshire, died of a heart attack in December, one month being told he was "fit to work", even though he was waiting for major heart surgery.
Citizens Advice told us it has found "a number of cases" of people dying soon after being found fit for work. "There seems to be a clear link between the cause of death and the condition they were suffering from that led to the claim," said Katie Lane, head of welfare policy.
WCA Outcome at most recent assessment and number of claimants with a recorded date of death
Assessment not complete 1,600
Work Related Activity Group 1,100
Support Group 5,300 Total 8,000
All figures have been rounded to the nearest 100. Data on the number of ESA claimants that have died following a fit for work decision is not available, as the Department does not hold information on a death if the person has already left benefit. The Department does not hold information on the number of claimants who died whilst an appeal was in progress.
We then asked for:
Clarification on whether these figures are only new ESA claims or whether they include the transfer from Incapacity Benefit?
We were told: These figures only cover new ESA claims - claims from IB recipients are not included.
However, there are more figures on the outcome of Work Capability Assessments on the DWP website.
Therefore, the work capability test is akin to a 'cull'', of the weak and the most vulnerable members of our society. If there are many more deaths in the years to come it will be more like genocide of disabled and unhealthy people. Isn't that what Hitler did to the Jews?
You can read the full article here at http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigat...ailing-in.html
11-06-2012 12:06 AM#2
Join Date: Sep 2012Location: East SussexPosts: 114
It might be old news, but this holocaust is still happening !!! But the government are doing it legally...apparently!
Bodicea what a shame that so many have learnt nothing from history.
I'll mention Godwin's Law before some other twat does for you Darkest
He does look quite sweet in himself, does Dave, with his paunch and rosy cheeks and resemblance to Igglepiggle. Rather like Boris, the loveable buffoon.
He was very endearing when he visited a MNers house and assured her that the conservatives, should they win the election would "take care" of disabled people and within the year she was at breaking point and wanting her child to be taken into care as a result of his policies.
Ah yes i remember that Wasnt she an MNer.
Aha FannyFifer! Saor Alba indeed.
That speech was a travesty, an embarrassment. It was like 'well we've always been important so we should be able to bomb people if
I we want to' - fucking imperialism, fucking nothing to do with being a good country. Switzerland - there's a good country, right there. New Zealand. Don't pretend you speak on behalf of our nation when you were in no way elected, Dave.
The nicest thing to happen in Parliament for some time is the rejection of the blokes who want to drop bombs and be all important and pally.
The single most notable thing about Dave's speech is that he made it at all. The big issue? Whether or not we throw bombs at Syria. He's not fooling anyone saying it's for humanitarian reasons then coming out with a big patriotic spiel like that - he just wants to feel powerful. And I'm so glad that even within the bubble of parliament, his wankeriness was called.
Sweet??? I can think of many words to describe him, but not one of them is 'sweet'.
Knobhead and Tosser do though !!
She was, and a very well respected one. Cameronspeak r.e taking care of vulnerable people sounds rather like Mafioso language.
VFOT, all welcome in a free Scotland.
I think so little about DC I'm not fussed about him either way
not like the posters calling him a cunt, overstating the issue to try and hide fact they're attracted to him - arf
All politicians are cunts by default aren't they? It's what we pay them to be, taking decisions nobody's going to like.
Countries are built on the idea of what all the people in them are when they're taken as a whole, more than the sum of it's parts. He was just trading on those ideas at a very apt time, flexing his
sex face muscles right back at Putin (grrr, Tiger).
Communication between leaders is all about posturing on behalf of your country, I mean, they're even trained to walk in an alpha male way FFS
Did they actually say
it's a UK Spook in Russia setting it up for DC who said it on twitter then? They didn't seem to know who it was last time I heard.
AgentZigzag that bit about David Cameron's sex face is possibly the most distasteful post I have ever read. Even for Mumsnet.
Don't you think they're all the same? They have no balls about them! They're all trying to model themselves on Tony Blair and spinning the same old tripe and blaming each other! Do you know, give me Boris Johnson any day. I know I'll get slated but the man has character and I think he's a pretty clever guy. 2nd place for me would be Theresa May. Just please get rid of all of the walking talking blairites!! I switch off when I see Cameron.
You think yourself lucky Vault, I read a full on discussion of George Osbourne's sex face on here (poss DC as well) <retch>
I've never been the same since.
George Osborne's sex face has put me off my breakfast and I'm not even due to eat it for another seven hours.
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