To think the BBC really should be shut down?

(431 Posts)
Loeri Fri 06-Sep-13 07:45:54

After the child abuse scandals, and now this where BBC execs have been given payments far beyond anything they were required to be given, isn't it time that the BBC was just shut down? It can't really be said that it makes the best TV in the world anymore, the best TV programmes come from the US and have done for well over a decade now. I just don't see the purpose of the BBC in 2013. It is arrogant, bloated beyond belief and seems only to exist to provide cushy jobs for the Guardian set.

moustachio Fri 06-Sep-13 08:01:31

I do see what you mean. My generation tends not to watch TV for the sake of it. Evenings are more likely to be spent watching downloaded versions of the type of shows the OP suggested though, as opposed to flicking through drivel for hours. I suppose that's the reason catch up services and Netflix/lovefilm exist, as opposes to scheduled TV. I do like BBC news though.

friday16 Fri 06-Sep-13 08:01:35

"One bad Daily Mail story (aside from the 70's and 80's abuse horror) does not represent the entire organisation. "

Are you seriously saying that the potentially illegal, unaudited payment of millions of pounds of money, paid solely by license-fee payers, to already rich people, is just a Daily Mail story? I don't think the BBC should be shut down. But I think the cosy club-ocracy within the BBC, in which it is impossible to discipline people and there is no accountability by senior staff, has to end.

Your HR director was incompetent, and either approved or ignored illegal payments to senior staff. She is now leaving, under her own steam, with a similarly fat payoff. George Thompson was incompetent, and was rewarded for that incompetence with an immense payoff for a couple of weeks' work. Other senior staff have received massive, non-contractual payments which, in the real world, would constitute fraud. Sure, staff on the ground aren't responsible. But the organisation is corrupt at the senior level, and is continuing to provide cost sinecures to second-rate managers. If they think they can be paid more in the commercial sector, fine, let them leave. It is obscene to extract a regressive tax, backed by 150000 prosecutions per year (most of them of people who are extremely poor) and piss the money away on bungs for the boys.

We now have the hideous sight of Mark Thompson, a man whose contribution to broadcasting and culture could be written on the back of a stamp, engaging in a fist fight with his previous employer over who was more corrupt than whom. Never mind the programmes: why does the BBC employ such loathsome people?

Loeri Fri 06-Sep-13 08:01:52

"that means watching it, rather than seeing a couple of cherry-picked programmes"

What is the difference? Doesn't everyone "cherry pick" the programmes they want to watch?

Ifancyashandy Fri 06-Sep-13 08:04:47

If BBC shows drastically lose ratings, they too are cancelled.

Pantah630 Fri 06-Sep-13 08:05:28

OP if you feel so strongly don't watch or listen to anything the BBC puts out for a month, then come back and tell us how it was.

slowco4ch Fri 06-Sep-13 08:06:04

It's not just about dramas either...what about the factual programmes they do so well? What about the children's programmes/channels that save my sanity? What about my beloved Great British Bake Off? If you tend to watch only tv in the genre you describe I see how you could live without it.

Inertia Fri 06-Sep-13 08:07:11

You are being so unreasonable that I don't have time to explain before work. Will return later. But how narrow minded to assume that drama is the only worthwhile programming .

Btw DM or Wright ?

Loeri Fri 06-Sep-13 08:07:13

I doubt I have watched anything on TV the BBC have put out in the last month, certainly not of by own voalition anyway, may have seen something at someone elses house. I have listened to the radio though.

TheYamiOfYawn Fri 06-Sep-13 08:07:14

Nope. No ad breaks, BBC4, Radio 4, Cbeebies, the BBC news website, the Cbeebies website and local news radio in times of bad weather or other mild crisis are all immensely better than any of the alternatives.

ILetHimKeep20Quid Fri 06-Sep-13 08:07:46

You might be happy filling your screen with American dramas but don't judge tv by your standard. I've never watched any of those shows, or Lost or anything like that.

I can't remember the last time I watched itv, it's inane drivel.

The BBC does programming like no one else can. Take Africa for example. Where else would you get a programme of that calibre? Yes, discovery does animal documentaries but with stock footage and naff voice overs.

There was a series on History a whole back, squeezed on between the crocodile killing and gold mining a show about the original big businesses of America, Carnegie, Fordetc, was to be shown. I was very interested in the content, thought Italians be fascinating.

It would have been if the BBC done it. It was full of bad actors recreating overt dramatized scenes, adverts and cheesy music.

Take the BBC show about the Jews that's on, immaculately done.

So if your going to judge quality tv on inane dramas you will struggle.

ivykaty44 Fri 06-Sep-13 08:07:52

it is a misogamist abusive greedy organisation

wonderingsoul Fri 06-Sep-13 08:08:34

america may may make soem good programe.. but untill you have watched their tv.. i wouldnt complaine.

Loeri Fri 06-Sep-13 08:10:00

"america may may make soem good programe.. but untill you have watched their tv.. i wouldnt complaine."
What does this mean? They make a good programme but "watch their TV"? What would I watch, if not the good programmes? Who watches something they don't want to watch?

DropYourSword Fri 06-Sep-13 08:10:21

Yeah why not, along with the catholic church, police force and anything else ever that's been involved in any sort of scandal. Get rid! wink

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 06-Sep-13 08:10:28

The BBC is still the envy of the world, and is relatively cheap. I pay the French license fee for channels with adverts and v low quality output. BBC news and the children's channels in particular are excellent. You don't know how lucky you are in the UK.

YABVU and stop reading the Daily Mail, there are reasons why they and the Murdoch rags are anti-Beeb you know, and it is nothing to do with the outrage they like to whip up against it

EsTutMirLeid Fri 06-Sep-13 08:10:50

The BBC makes excellent radio and television programmes, I would hate to see it go.

DropYourSword Fri 06-Sep-13 08:11:05

I would imagine they are referring to the insane amount of commercial breaks.

Iheartcrunchiebars Fri 06-Sep-13 08:11:05

Only this week there's been an example of the BBC's outstanding journalism with a murder conviction for Rachel Manning's killer. You only have to listen to local radio everyday to hear small (and big) scale corruptions being uncovered. Where do you think the national papers get most of their stories from? They are often local tv/radio stories from the day/week before.

And when it comes to snow/floods etc the BBC give vital information.

As for the child abuse scandal surely any big organisation statistically is going to have issues like this. The health service does. Should we get rid of that too?

If its lost its gone forever, I think most people don't realise what an amazing organisation it is.

Also there's a certain national paper that gives its journos a bonus for every anti bbc piece it runs which might explain its coverage.

FannyMcNally Fri 06-Sep-13 08:11:36

Agree that BBC4 is the best channel on TV. (And I also love BBC3 for showing Family Guy)

KoalaFace Fri 06-Sep-13 08:13:36

Friday I think you're spot on. BBC needs an overhaul so that the people at the top can't just decide how much money to award themselves. Still don't want it abolished though.

It is obscene to extract a regressive tax, backed by 150000 prosecutions per year (most of them of people who are extremely poor) and piss the money away on bungs for the boys.

100% agree. This makes me stabby.

EsTutMirLeid Fri 06-Sep-13 08:13:39

And their comedy and children's programmes are fantastic.

reggiebean Fri 06-Sep-13 08:13:50

^^ agreed 😊

livinginwonderland Fri 06-Sep-13 08:14:10

Have you ever watched American TV? And I mean TV aired in the US (or Australia for that matter), not just American shows on Sky or Channel 4? The adverts are painful. There are ad breaks every 7-8 minutes that last 3-4 minutes. Your beloved Mad Men or whatever else you watch is littered with ad-breaks and it takes over an hour to air a 42 minute episode because of how many adverts you have to sit through.

I love the BBC. We don't have TV so I don't pay the license fee but we use iPlayer and I watch a lot of documentaries and cookery shows on there that you'd never find anywhere else. David Attenborough just did a really good nature show following the lives of four tiger cubs. You wouldn't get anything like that on C4, C5, ITV or even Sky.

Squitten Fri 06-Sep-13 08:14:57

American TV, watched in America, is appalling. They cut to endless ads about every 5mins and the bloody "info-mercials" are ridiculous. It's a VERY different experience to downloading it whole with all that stuff cut out. Completely commercialised and it drives you insane to have to sit through.

I love the BBC. Of course the organisation has its issues and they need to be addressed but they make some cracking stuff and their radio is excellent.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Fri 06-Sep-13 08:16:24

There is too much good. Watch US reporting then watch the beeb, no comparison.

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