about cyclists and road tax?(88 Posts)
I often hear people moaning (both online and in real life)'\ about cyclists and complaining that because drivers pay road tax the cyclists shouldn't be allowed on the road blah blah blah.
WIBU to point out loudly to the next idiot that comes out with this that there is no such thing as road tax? And that cyclists pay taxes that go towards maintaining the road network just like everyone else? Oh and that although there are dangerous cyclists there are also dangerous drivers?
I'm not a cyclist but this really pisses me off.
thing is Bump, often drivers also don't bother with recognising the HC either, do they?
Have a look at www.ipayroadtax.com - tongue in cheek name.
I do think cyclist should have insurance, but road tax is a silly idea
I will admit to having advised ds that while he shouldn't stop ahead of the solid line or start off when the light is red/amber, there are occasions when, depending on the junction it might be safer for him to do one or the other (but not both).
When it comes to safety, I'm absolutely prepared to compromise my principles.
pan yes, though we're all expected to. Cyclists should be pulled over for going the wrong way up a one way, going thru red lights etc just as a motorist would.
Glitterwins I'm scared of frightening the horses we pass regularly. I slow right down, crawl past and accelerate very slowly, away from the horse so the engine doesn't make a suddenly loud noise
Well, heres a thank you from me :-)
Some people just don't do any exercise or activity aside from driving their cars and walking out the house to the car. Or if they do, its the very occasional driving to an offroad cycle path once in six months and tootling up and down for a mile in either direction. I always think they must be very frustrated as they get no physical outlet for all their energy. So perhaps this affects their driving, and their comprehension that country roads, in particular, are designed for all users from cars to motorbikes to pedestrians to horse riders to cyclists, and you can't reasonably expect a free, fast passage as you would on a motorway.
The argument about cyclists and road tax (I like calling it road tax because I'm using it as an adjective and not a noun, note the lack of capitals) is akin to saying those who are higher rate taxpayers should get better services because they pay more tax! Anyway, as a cyclist, horserider and 2 x road tax payer for 2 vehicles, does that mean I should get 2 times more road usage for my 2 road taxes? Ridiculous.
It is very persistent isn't it - I saw someone wearing a tshirt saying 'Ive paid my road tax, now fuck off and mend the potholes'
I do agree that all uses should have some sort of insurance - that just seems good sense.
But Trills had it in one - there are twats all over the place. The only way to deal with this is not be one yourself!
during a 20 min drive in london last night, we drove past 2 cyclists with no lights (it was dark) 4 who jumped red lights and one very special woman who cycled out of a side road without looking. we swerved to miss her, then went past her 5 minutes later as we were indicating to turn left she thought it would be a good idea to come up our inside. they just dont seem to want to live :-/
And a thank you from me too Glitter. Last year a driver decided that he couldn't wait the 10 secs needed for me get out of the way on a blind bend with oncoming traffic and drove so close that he pinged my foot with his wing mirror, he only just missed the oncoming car who kindly stopped to see if I was ok - 2 examples of how different each driver can be.
As a result having been utterly bomb proof dhorse is now incredibly nervous of cars and it's really stressful taking him on even the quietest roads. Combine harvesters, tractors and lorries are fine - it's just cars which make him leap into the hedge, ditch, or at worst towards the car. I don't think many people are aware of how much damage 600kg of frightened horse can do to them, their cars or their bikes, never mind to themselves and the riders.
I am both a motorist and a cyclist and while I don't believe that cyclist should pay 'road tax' or vehicle exise duty to give it it's proper name, I do believe they should all be made to pass a basic proficiency test and carry 3rd party insurance.
Have you ever been hit by a cyclist? I was while at lights a number of years ago. Brand new car (literally 4 days old), over £1500 bodywork damage - god knows how the cyclist escaped injury. I was stationary and he just ploughed into my front wing and flew about 30 feet over my bonnet such was the speed he was travelling (no lights, helmet, reflectors). If I'd done the equivalent in a car I'd have had the old bill taking me to court faster than you could say boo to a goose but this guy just picked up his damaged bike and buggered off, leaving me to pay the bill. No number plates on a bike so tracking him down is nigh on impossible.
Lots of cyclists do have insurance through the CTC and or British Cycling. Also gives them access to specialist solicitors when idiots knock them down.
Also, if you own a home and have house insurance, it's likely you'll have third party insurance through that.
I pay about £240 a year 'road tax' for a car that sits on the drive 5 days a week. I cycle to work.
In answer to Norfolkpenguin
In a 40 minute cycle home, I saw numerous cars jump traffic lights, two even turned right across my path - fortunately they stopped just before I became a bonnet ornament, had two or three close passes (touching distance). All part of the course. Didn't see any silly cycling from anyone. Lots of mobile phone using whilst driving. Need I go on. At least a bike is 'unlikely' to kill someone !
There are good and bad drivers, cyclists and horse riders. The bad road users affect everyone.
The other thing that
many quite a few cars do is drive above the speed limit and don't see a small amount as particularly dangerous.
How many people who complain about some cyclists jumping red lights or stopping ahead of the solid line can honestly say that they have never ever gone over the speed limit by even a few mph ? That is also breaking the Highway Code - just because you don't get caught doesn't make it right.
Nothing excuses dangerous driving or cycling though.
Can one of the horse riders on this thread tell me what you should do when you need to overtake a horse on a bike?
Earlier someone said their horse was spooked because the rider didn't make it known they were there but I am always wary of making any noise. It doesn't help that I am extremely scared of horses.
Highjinx - from a fair distance away,(far enough so that if the horse and rider leap into the air with fright that you yourself are not in danger), could you just say "cyclist behind you" or "excuse me"? It then gives us time to get out of your way. The problem with bikes is that they can appear very quickly and quietly and we sometimes only hear/see you at the last minute. For some reason my horse is absolutely terrified of them and I'm worried when that we might bump a bike if it tries to get past while he's leaping about. I have tried desensitizing by getting my children to cycle round him but with no success at all!
There is something also about the whizzing noise that upsets them so it may be best if you can to go past quite slowly although I do always try to get out of the way so that cyclists aren't forced to a crawl. Thank you for asking - and if you do all that and the rider doesn't say thankyou, then you (and I have done) stop and ask them to!
I will try your method next time
and try not to be such a wimp around horses
There is no such thing as road tax. People pay car tax, or more accurately an emissions tax, but it has nothing to do with the road.
Sorry, I realise someone has already posted that link.
<self flagellates for committing cardinal MN Sin of not reading the thread>
Slightly off topic, but could cyclists please do the same as for horses if they're on a car-free path shared with dogs? If you give me a ting on your bell, I can get the dog under full control before you whizz past me from behind.
And could cyclists also be aware that you can break speed limits? I was following one down a steep local hill, leading into town, the other day. I slowed down to 30 at the sign halfway down, I'm super virtuous about it as (a) there's a school (b) a concealed junction and (c) bored policemen like to loiter there with a radar gun, and a jolly good thing too. Not Bradley Wiggins wannabee though, he'd been matching my speed at 50 earlier on and if anything continued to accelerate!
There isn't a 'speed limit' for a cycle, believe it or not, despite the fact that most cyclists have computers or GPS sat nav devices on their bikes !
There is a specific offence of "cycling furiously" although I'm not sure it's often cited
I'd like cyclists and horse riders to have to pass some sort of highway code/road awareness course with a license given at the end.
That way every road user will allegedly be proficient enough to not act like a knob on the road
'oh I didn't think red lights applied to cyclists' Would no longer be an excuse. It isn't anyway and just makes the cyclist using it look a twat
'Oh I didn't see that light change' If you didn't see the lights what else didn't you see?
'Oh I though a tiny little flicker of a light was enough to use on unlit roads' Only a twat with a death wish would think that. Hi Viz (not a tiny little strip of it either) and decent lights front and back are the only way to go even on lit roads
'Oh I didn't think I had to use arm signals to signal my intentions' You didn't? Really? How the hell do you expect anyone to know where you're planning to go? Let me guess you were just going to swerve infront of the cars behind you who may be about to over take you so you can get into the right lane...
'I'm sooo cool cycling with no hands' Where exactly are your brakes located and how do you steer, that thing in front of you you're too cool to hold? Oh look something has run out in front of you and because you're sooo cool you couldn't avoid a collision... Twat
'I'm too drunk to drive but I'm not too drunk to cycle' yeah if you're too drunk to do one you're too drunk to do the other too
'let me jump from road to pavement without looking all along a busy main road'
I don't hate cyclists.... much but the ones round here are quite hard to think of as anything other than lacking in road sense
and common sense
Pedestrians also cross roads. Should they also undergo a test before they are allowed in the vicinity of cars?
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