To think that it is NOT acceptable for people to call other scum just because they support another football team.

(96 Posts)
Ilovemyself Sun 01-Sep-13 17:28:21

It pisses me off big time. It is allegedly acceptable to do this because it is only football.

I know people that would not normally call anyone scum, but when it comes to match time it is all over their facebook status.

I also think people should realise its just a bloody game - not a matter of life and death.

Rant over.

SilverApples Sun 01-Sep-13 18:17:16

'I work with children of Pakistani heritage and you should hear the hatred some of them have towards India when the cricket was one.'

Yes, but there have been wars and armed disputes between the countries since Pakistan was founded, that doesn't help. Likewise children of Pakistani and Bengali heritage.

BadLad Sun 01-Sep-13 18:20:49

A quick google for cricket crowd trouble and rugby crowd trouble show that the problem is much more than one incident twelve years ago.

kim147 Sun 01-Sep-13 18:24:41

You win. I really can't be bothered to Google. But I'd be much happier taking DS to a cricket or rugby match.

BadLad Sun 01-Sep-13 18:26:38

You win

GET IN!

We won
We beat the scum, 1-0
We beat the scum 1-0
We beat the scum 1-0

sooy grin

Ilovegeorgeclooney Sun 01-Sep-13 18:28:29

Scummer is the 'affectionate' nickname Pompey fans have for supporters of Southampton. It has been going on for generations and they call us skates ( due to a scurrilous rumour I believe). I think a lot worse is said at football.

kim147 Sun 01-Sep-13 18:30:06

I think Leeds fans call Man United "scum".

Or is that unique to Leeds?

BadLad Sun 01-Sep-13 18:31:06

All serious fans call Man United scum

SilverApples Sun 01-Sep-13 18:34:55

BadLad, it's also about the impact on the public, and their perception of it.
I've never avoided a street, or a train because it was full of cricket fans or rugby enthusiasts. But I have with football fans. Frequently.
I've never come across hordes of fans from any other sport moving on a huge crowd, shoving and spitting and offering lewd suggestions to anyone female over the age of 10.
I used to live near Wembley in the 80s.

complexnumber Sun 01-Sep-13 18:37:01

I'm sure there was a relevant statistic that said domestic violence rates sky rocket during the six nations rugby tournament.

I would be really interested if you could locate that statistic, Teeb.

It doesn't ring true with my experiences

BadLad Sun 01-Sep-13 18:37:12

I would never argue that it doesn't happen at all at football games, although I think the problem is much less now than it was in the 80s.

I was arguing with this

I don't think you get this in Rugby Union or cricket. Fans from both sides happily mix in the stadium and in the bars before that.

SilverApples Sun 01-Sep-13 18:37:35

In fact, best journey ever with DD at 16 was a train full of gym-toned, well washed and very polite young men on their way to the Pride march in Brighton. Not a grope, or a single act of intimidation amongst them. grin

Ilovemyself Sun 01-Sep-13 18:37:57

See what I mean. Football fans have to take things down to the lowest level - even on here.

Rudeness, abuse, homophobia. It's all acceptable as its part of an in joke between fans.

The thread wasn't about domestic violence. It wasn't about is football worse than rugby or cricket ( although I personally doubt cricket or rugby are anywhere near as bad, football fans always have something on standby)

It was about is verbal abuse like the word scum acceptable. But I guess it is.

SilverApples Sun 01-Sep-13 18:39:12

You mean this report on domestic violence?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18379093

TeaAndABiscuit Sun 01-Sep-13 18:41:33

The history of the term 'scum' re: Pompey V Southampton comes from a historical union reference acronym:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/hampshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8493000/8493003.stm

Oh and play up Pompey smile

BadLad Sun 01-Sep-13 18:42:07

complexnumber, here

wales.gov.uk/newsroom/housingandcommunity/2013/130131campaign-tackles-domestic-violence-six-nations/?lang=en

Lest I be accused of being as biased as the injury time timekeeper at Old Trafford, it is a report about DV during major sporting tournaments, but it does mention the six nations specifically.

And according to this one, Wales playing England in 2012 resulted in the number of domestic abuse cases rising by 70 percent compared to the previous weekend.

www.kenskates.co.uk/am-warns-of-domestic-abuse-spike-over-final-six-nations-weekend/

I have no doubt that similar stats can be found for when Germany turf England out of a world cup.

TeaAndABiscuit Sun 01-Sep-13 18:42:13
SilverApples Sun 01-Sep-13 18:45:03

So, team sports = violence?
I've always disliked them. They seem to bring out the worst in many people.
No, OP swearing and abusing people because of a game is never acceptable to me.

complexnumber Sun 01-Sep-13 18:51:02

Thanks for the link BadLad, I suppose I was thinking in terms of violence at the matches. Though your first post clearly states you are talking about domestic violence.

Not pleasant at all, and a bit of an eye-opener.

Yonionekanobe Sun 01-Sep-13 18:51:17

I happened to be on a train last weekend full of Rugby League fans and was really shocked by the nastiness of one particular group. I have travelled a lot for football and worldwide for cricket but never felt so intimidated by a group of sports fans before. It was grim.

BadLad Sun 01-Sep-13 18:51:18

Much worse in South America.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357453/Brazilian-referee-beheaded-Angry-fans-head-stake-stabbing-player.html

After a referee fatally stabbed a player, the fans cut his head off.

In an amateur match, for Christ's sake.

Ilovemyself Sun 01-Sep-13 19:03:38

Come on Badlad. It's ok to be abusive in the UK at football because its much worse in South America.

I'll just accept the fun abuse ( which never turns to bullying or violence because its just about a stupid game) is ok from now on.

KissMeHardy Sun 01-Sep-13 19:06:43

Oh, just shrug and get on with your life OP. There's worse things happen at sea.

BadLad Sun 01-Sep-13 19:10:59

Nobody said abuse at football matches was OK. But the problem is overstated and is wrongly said to happen only at footbal matches - as has happened on this thread - and it does cause an unfair amount of headlines when it happens in the UK when the problem is much worse in some other countries - South America and Turkey, for example.

kim147 Sun 01-Sep-13 19:12:50

I'm still amazed at the police presence at football matches. Our local team is in Division 2 and there are loads of police on duty in the local area.

Arnie123 Sun 01-Sep-13 19:15:57

I think that is the main reason a lot of people attend football matches. I met the Soul Crew once (Cardiff City hooligans mob) and they really got off on the punch ups and abuse. When we came out of the match one of them even threw a petrol bomb at rival fans.

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