To think Katie Hopkins has officially lost the plot and special needs children do have genuine medical disorders

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Arnie123 Tue 20-Aug-13 15:08:12

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/katie-hopkins/why-must-everything-be-a-medical-condition_b_3751096.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

I know she is just a gobby professional troll but this time she has gone way too far. So special needs don't exist and it is just crap parenting? Unbelievable

mignonette Tue 20-Aug-13 15:43:17

Somebody who has failed at everything she has done - She lacks moral fibre and intellectual vigour. Should be an interesting 'chat'.

Dare you, Thrush.

celticclan Tue 20-Aug-13 15:49:21

She was spouting some nonsense about how she won't employ overweight people the other day. On the comments section someone noted that her consultancy business made a loss of £11k last year so talk of her employing someone is strictly wishful thinking on her part.

thornrose Tue 20-Aug-13 15:50:40

I was quoting Samuel who seems to thinks the diagnosis is quick, but I didn't make it very clear.

I'm off because this thread might actually make my head explode grin

ouryve Tue 20-Aug-13 15:50:41

DS1's ADHD diagnosis took more than 7 MONTHS, btw - not counting the time spent on a waiting list. It's not a diagnosis that was just doled out.

LRDPomogiMnyeSRabotoi Tue 20-Aug-13 15:55:25

Head exploding is best avoided.

Glad it was that. grin

Arnie123 Tue 20-Aug-13 15:56:08

She claims to be worth £0.9 million. Not likely with a business making a loss. Perhaps she is taking on a new role as professional troll. I bet she gets paid a few thousands for each piece of tripe she comes out with. I am going to tweet her and ask her for the web chat

mignonette Tue 20-Aug-13 15:59:43

Simple equation for calculating the success of Thrush (her new name).

Vile nonsense spouted for money = her consultancy business going down the toilet. As I said, she has failed at everything she has done.

KhloeKardashian Tue 20-Aug-13 16:03:46

I do not get the Woman's motives at all.

As has been said already, I can't take someone seriously who has sex in the open with someone else's husband.

SamuelAndOscarsMummy Tue 20-Aug-13 16:04:31

Hmmm no not really, not health professionals who go through the proper process of diagnoses. More parents who don't go to the doctor and just say 'I think they have ADHD' but don't get it followed up. Or health professionals who state that the child has mild this or that but don't think it is severe enough to need medication or treatment.

My child has loads of energy which he finds hard to express sometimes as we only live in a little flat and can't go to the park etc when it is raining therefore can get naughty as he doesn't want to sit quietly and play he wants to run around. People have jokingly mentioned ADHD but I take offence to that to be honest. He's just a normal, happy, excitable little boy AND he's only 2! Children I have met who have ADHD often say things like 'I don't want to be naughty but I can't help it' and my heart really goes out to them, no child wants to be told off and punished all the time. I've heard little shitty brats in the park shove another child over in the park before and say 'I have ADHD so I can hit you and you can't hit me back' or the mother of an autistic child claim that because her son is autistic he doesn't need to share the toys and she doesn't need to discipline him. This is where I feel that labels are negative.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 20-Aug-13 16:09:48

I would be very interested to know what 'mild autism' is.

insanityscratching Tue 20-Aug-13 16:16:00

Samuel can I direct you here before you post anymore tripe misconceptions and embarrass yourself further.

I know a lady that has pushed and pushed to have her son diagnosed with Autism. He is a nightmare at home, apparently developmentally delayed and is violent.

However, I know her son well through working at his nursery and being his keyworker for years.
There is nothing out of the ordinary with his development or behavior. He uses the toilet, speaks well and plays with others.
His nursery book confirms this as have the paediatrician, HV and speech therapist.
She is still asking for more opinions (she has new paediatrician now) because she refuses to believe that his behavior is down to her parenting. She baby talks to him, puts him pull ups (he starts school in Sep but has been toilet trained in nursery since 2), dresses him, feeds him. The list is endless. So he behaves like a 2 year old around her.

He could end up with a devastating diagnosis and there is nothing wrong with him! angry
Not a helpful comment but I cannot help but feel angry about it.

zatyaballerina Tue 20-Aug-13 16:26:18

Some children are born with special needs, nobody is disputing that, her point was about those who are badly parented to the point where they fail to develop properly as a result.

Many kids are fed crap and that does affect them, some more seriously than others. Others are not spoken to, not read to, not disciplined, neglected, abused, grow up in a very stressful environment etc,.. and all of those kids will have special needs to some extent. It does them an injustice to pretend that they don't exist or their issues aren't caused by their home environment, they'll never get the help they need if the root is ignored.

LRDPomogiMnyeSRabotoi Tue 20-Aug-13 16:31:08

'I've heard little shitty brats in the park shove another child over in the park before and say 'I have ADHD so I can hit you and you can't hit me back' or the mother of an autistic child claim that because her son is autistic he doesn't need to share the toys and she doesn't need to discipline him. This is where I feel that labels are negative.'

Forgive me, but isn't there a certain irony in labelling these children 'little shitty brats', then.

Obviously it's not ideal if a child uses a crap excuse for hitting. But that's not the label, it's the child being a child. And an annoying one. It's not like his doctor or teachers are going to be saying 'now, little Jimmy, do feel free to hit everyone if you so choose, and we'll ensure no-one hits you back', is it?

I find it tricky to believe what you describe with the mother of an autistic child is the full story. Is it possible she was just knackered and thought you might have a moment of empathy and let him play with the toy?

Sanctimummy Tue 20-Aug-13 16:31:14

I like the new trend of referring to her as Thrush from now on.

Totally sticking to that. Forever grin

thornrose Tue 20-Aug-13 16:33:41

Youcanring a diagnosis will not be given just based on the mother's word though!

I filled in endless questionnaires, talked about my child from birth onwards in great detail. An Ed Psych evaluated her, the SENCO, teachers and TA's had input.

Finally two professionals assessed my dd and I had to sit back in silence while they carried out a range of tests. She was then diagnosed with Aspergers.

Don't worry it's highly unlikely the child you refer to will get a "devastating diagnosis" based on the mum's say so!

AmberLeaf Tue 20-Aug-13 16:36:16

She is rentagob and spouts shite
Why waste valuable moments of your life caring what she says?

Because she is given a platform to spout said shite and her views need challenging.

Because she is not alone in her thick ill educated views as proved by several posts on this thread.

Yes, Id also like to hear what 'mild' autism is.

insanityscratching Tue 20-Aug-13 16:38:43

Youcanringmybell with respect you may be a nursery keyworker but you are in no position to determine whether or not a child has autism. If the child receives a diagnosis it will be after a proper assessment by a team of health and education professionals. It will not be as a result of the mother pushing for assessment.
Maybe you would like to cast your eyes over the This is my child campaign as it looks like you need to learn a few things and it is highly unprofessional to be discussing a child and their parent on a forum oh I forgot you are a nursery keyworker

AmberLeaf Tue 20-Aug-13 16:39:15

Loving the idea that mere parental obsessive persistence will get a 'devastating' diagnosis!

Yeah right.

insanityscratching Tue 20-Aug-13 16:43:01

Yes Amber my two got diagnoses of moderate and severe autism really easily I wonder what I'd have got for diagnoses if I had pushed? Leprechaun or pixie perhaps grin

Sparklysilversequins Tue 20-Aug-13 16:45:35

Ffs! Those of you who think that kids with "mild" autism or ADHD can get a diagnosis when there's nothing really that wrong are about as stupid as they come.

Stop posting that shite because you having got a clue.

Here just for your info.

1. Parents don't decide to refer to developmental teams, TEACHERS and GP's do. It takes around 5 visits to GP and then concerns raised by HCP such as HV and teachers/nursery staff before the ball gets rolling.

2. Once you've been referred you wait around 6 months for the appointment. All the while your kid is struggling in school and having issues that no one understands because it just LOOKS like they're being "naughty" that's the trouble you see, a lot of the SYMPTOMS if these conditions look exactly like what we consider socially to be NAUGHTY.

3. You are then seen repeatedly over 6 months or longer by various specialist HCP including developmental paeds, child psychologists, SALT and Occupational Therapists. Advice is sought from SENCOs and teachers at the child's school/nursery.

4. ALL of them have to agree that your child has this condition or you are sent away and told to come back in a year or so if you've still got concerns.

It's near IMPOSSIBLE to get a diagnosis if the condition is not there. So go away and find out a bit more about it before bleating on here that that utter twat has got a point blah blah blah.

angryangryangryangry

JakeBullet Tue 20-Aug-13 16:58:24

What sparkly has just said. ..and so well.

It took years for my son to be diagnosed. ..everyone knew from age 3 that his development was not usual. Personally it didn't matter to me as he was MY son and I loved him quirks and all.

Nursery and then schools found that he struggled with noises, various situations and in being able to sit for a story (because sitting cross legged on the floor when you are dyspraxic is hard).

The SCHOOL referred him to the school nurse who teferred him to a developmental paediatrician. My only input was to agree the assessment to be done and allow sccess to previous assessments and reports.

Finally a paediatrician diagnosed ASD. As the paediatrician has had many years of training, plus study and additional training then specialised study in recognising ASD I value her opinion over that of KH who is basically a failed game show contestant. ....her opinions tell me WHY she is a failed game show contestant. Silly, opinionated, shallow and thick.

Pagwatch Tue 20-Aug-13 17:08:50
FanjoForTheMammaries Tue 20-Aug-13 17:09:02

Not going to read this thread.

Basically anyone who agrees with Katie Hopkins is sadly ignorant and should learn about ADHD and autism and also look at Mumsnet's new campaign.

HTH

AmberLeaf Tue 20-Aug-13 17:10:50

insanityscratching

Pixie sounds good...I should have pushed sad grin

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