to ask if you agree that we "should not be sending aid to bongo bongo land"

(218 Posts)
ICBINEG Wed 07-Aug-13 09:22:44

Aside the ridiculous racist overtones of the statement itself....if you can...

The adorable MEP on radio 4 this morning was suggesting that it is inappropriate to be sending aid abroad when we are cutting police, hospitals and the defence back home.

The interviewer pointed out the last aid dispatched was 50 million to help with a polio outbreak in the Sudan area.

The MEP basically said if people want to give to charity they can, the government shouldn't and I think the majority of your listeners agree.

So please answer if you will:

1. Did you hear the interview?
2. Do you agree that we should stop sending foreign aid?
3. Can you believe he said bongo bongo? In 2013???

comingalongnicely Wed 07-Aug-13 09:55:53

No
Yes
Not fussed

Ficklefrancis Wed 07-Aug-13 09:57:10

1) No
2) Yes
3) Yes

Flobbadobs Wed 07-Aug-13 09:57:20

2 Yes, we shouldn't support imaginary places with real money. Enough of that goes on on Facebook...
grin
Seriously though, I would bet that he's the type of person who defends himself by 'just saying it as it is". I bet he thinks its a real plaace as well, he doesn't strike me as the most intelligent man around..

LadyofSituations Wed 07-Aug-13 09:58:40

Actually, I reckon I'm more offended by his suggestion that aid money is being spent on "Ray-Ban sunglasses, trips to Paris, Ferraris, and all the rest of it" than by his stupid "bongo bongo land" phrase. Yes, there is a problem with aid reaching the people it is meant to. No, that's not a reason to stop giving - it's a reason to work harder on making sure it does reach the right people, and is given in a way that helps countries to help themselves for the future. That's why we have international development teams. And it's certainly not a reason to return to the days of "private charity", because this is about justice not charity. Eradication of polio, access to clean water etc. is a global right, not a privilege. And this ludicrous idea that borders matter, which bit of earth you happened to arrive into the world on is actually morally significant and so on, needs to stop.

ICBINEG Wed 07-Aug-13 09:58:54

well along with having already hit statistical significance that he was wrong, we have also demonstrated that radio 4 listeners are are not drawn from the general population in an unbiased way....<absolutely NOT surprising....>

ICBINEG Wed 07-Aug-13 10:01:02

yeah I also couldn't believe it about the polio outbreak!

I can't find the moral place in my head where you justify spending more on NHS hospitals by removing funds from people fighting a polio outbreak that will be killing and disabling children left right and centre.

IncrediblePhatTheInnkeepersCat Wed 07-Aug-13 10:02:37

1. No
2. No
3. Shocked that he said it deliberately in public. Wouldn't have been surprised if he'd said it to another UKIP buddy and been overheard.

I think the more interesting question, ignoring the MEPs awful language, is what shape (if any) aid should take?

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 07-Aug-13 10:06:17

I have just looked at Wikipedia's entry on Godfrey Bloom. He seems to have interesting opinions on several subjects. The links are quite illuminating

this article for example.

HollyBerryBush Wed 07-Aug-13 10:06:45

BTW he went to one of the best state super selective grammar schools in the country, which surprises me.

1 No
2 Absolutely not
3 I can believe he said that unfortunately, I just despair at these twats.

Eyesunderarock Wed 07-Aug-13 10:09:54

Yes
No
Yes

I do think that there should be strict regulations and far more transparency on aid, who gives it, who is responsible for control and distribution of aid and what kickback deals are made between donor and recipient leaders.
I remember the time when the people of Uganda were starving and in a civil war. Our government gave aid, and Amin used it to pay his soldiers. The majority of the population got nothing.
The effectiveness of aid is also a very distressing and muddled area. Give to the starving of Ethiopia, Biafra, name your zone, Feed the World. Two decades later all you have is a considerably larger population starving.
So I think aid is essential and should be given by the wealthier nations to those in need. But with a very clear understanding of how best to help, and much less national government involvement.

Can I ask a naive and uninformed question about Syrian refugees?
Why are the Arabic-speaking, Muslim and wealthy nations of the Middle East not opening their borders without reservation to them?

See - no-one with an ounce of sympathy could argue that fighting polio is a worthy cause but surely the argument of a fully funded NHS should not be pitted against the argument for foreign aid?

ratbagcatbag Wed 07-Aug-13 10:16:37

1) no
2) yes - sorry but whilst we have families on the bread line and accessing food banks to survive we should question everything we spend. I struggle how we make cuts on most services but then feel pleased we've kept the aid spend the same.
3) stupid stupid comment from him, he would have got a better response had he used proper examples such as that of India being given aid, but they have a space programme

ICBINEG Wed 07-Aug-13 10:18:01

8/9 against

ICBINEG Wed 07-Aug-13 10:18:58

rat bag, well I agree we should question every thing...

paying this goon for one thing...

PanicMode Wed 07-Aug-13 10:19:31

I think what is more scary is that he is on the EU Committee for Women's Rights and Gender Equality.....especially in the light of some of his comments on the role of women, and admitting he visited brothels saying that "most girls [working in the industry] do it because they want to"....

navada Wed 07-Aug-13 10:20:42

Why should we be sending millions abroad when we can't afford to fund our own vital services? - also, I'm not on benefits but I know friends who are & they've had their money cut considerably and are really struggling. I know they're not literally 'starving' but they are struggling. I'd rather see them helped a bit more. We have families in this country relying on food banks to feed their children. That, in 2013 is shocking.

picnicbasketcase Wed 07-Aug-13 10:22:53

1. No
2. I honestly don't know because I don't think we're told enough about where money goes and what it's used for. It is troubling that this country is struggling but still sending so much abroad but at the same time, I don't want to be the kind of person who doesn't give a shit about anyone else. Arse firmly on the fence there it seems.
3. Sadly yes.

HighBrows Wed 07-Aug-13 10:23:31

1) No
2) No - I can guarantee if aid money was stopped tomorrow it would not be ring fenced to spend else where in the UK.
3) No - I can't believe he said this, it's a horrible thing to say. Has/is anyone going to make a complaint. People like him should not be allowed have a voice in the public if they say such utterly racist and hate incited things.

ICBINEG Wed 07-Aug-13 10:24:03

'fully funded NHS'

but what IS that?

I went to an NHS hospital yesterday with my DD who has very grey whites to her eyes. We queried the HV about this when she was 6 months old. The HV referred us, and we now have had what I really hope is the last appointment in a series of 4 in which opticians have looked at her eyes and basically said they aren't bothered but come back again anyway.

We were satisfied after one appointment with a specialist, and actually tried to get DD discharged...but they pulled the guilt trippy "oh the consultant wouldn't have made a repeat appointment if you shouldn't keep it"...so we keep going and they keep saying "there's no problem - see you in 6 months..."

I don't like to think how many polio vaccines could have been bought with the money spent on this utterly pointless activity!

ICBINEG Wed 07-Aug-13 10:25:49

nevada are eye appointments more 'vital' than controlling a polio outbreak though?

HighBrows Wed 07-Aug-13 10:26:01

PanicMode I'm actually shocked at your last comment. I despair, I truly do. He is on a committee for women's and gender rights and uses brothels. My opinion of this person has sunk even lower. What an utter arsehole.

LadyBigtoes Wed 07-Aug-13 10:26:09

1. No didn't hear it.
2. No, we should send aid, though I think a hell of a lot of corruption goes on, so that needs to be looked at.
3. Amazing isn't it!? You would think even UKIP members might have a leeeetle think about whether they want to wear their racism THAT much on their sleeve - but no! However it makes them look like even bigger twunts, and will probably help to put people off them.

ouryve Wed 07-Aug-13 10:26:49

1. Yes
2. No - it's a tiny sum that we send and the least we can do as a supposedly civilised country which has historically exploited a lot of countries now in receipt of aid.
3. Considering the source, yes. It might be 2013, but small minded prats haven't been selectively bred out of the human population, yet.

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