AIBU to be shocked & angry that my DM and DMIL are not on my marriage certificate?!

(149 Posts)
nameequality Mon 05-Aug-13 22:23:02

I married in 2001 in Church of England church. I've recently realised that my DF and DFIL's names are on there but not DM and DMIL's.

I can't seem to find out from googling if this is still the case in Church of England marriages or in registry offices.

I can see some images of civil partnership certificates on line which do show mothers.

Anyone get married recently who can let me know what their certificates say?

AIBU to be upset that mothers are invisible on these important documents?

LynetteScavo Mon 05-Aug-13 22:27:44

In 1999 mothers were not on marriage certificates.

HTH

The fathers names are only on there because they've signed as witnesses aren't they? Mine is the same - actually worse because I'm not on it.

Forgot to sign it..............

It got sorted out the next day. I'm sure your mum etc could have been on it and probably more are now but in times past the dads did it. Pretty sure I've seen the Queen Mother's signature on the Queens though. Will look it up....

Blu Mon 05-Aug-13 22:30:39

YANBU

The CoE have 't exactly shown a speedy rush towards eliminating sex discrimination, so who knows what they do now .

nameequality Mon 05-Aug-13 22:35:43

No the fathers are there as fathers in a space called fathers. Witnesses is a separate line and ours were best man and bridesmaid.

kim147 Mon 05-Aug-13 22:36:41

So the certificate is signed by the males to check that said daughter has been transferred over?

<Slightly over analysing -- or am I? -->

lougle Mon 05-Aug-13 22:37:50

When I got married in 2002, the registrar pointed out that unless DM and DMIL were witnesses, they wouldn't be on the certificate. So we had them as witnesses, and DF and DFIL were there anyway because they are stated on the cert.

QuintessentiallyOhDear Mon 05-Aug-13 22:38:01

Registry office wedding, fathers mentioned, not mothers.

I cant remember what year I got married. sad Possibly in 1999?

BeansAndToast Mon 05-Aug-13 22:38:20

That's how it sounds to me as well, Kim. Why would the father turn up on there? Surely the birth certificate or whatever ID you used to proof you are yourself should be enough, no need for parents' names on there? Very odd.

snickersnacker Mon 05-Aug-13 22:38:23

Four years ago I had to give my marital status as 'spinster' on the banns application - progress appears to be slow in the Church of England...

snickers251 Mon 05-Aug-13 22:39:05

I got married June last year in a venue so civil partnership and only the fathers are on mine.

Seems a bit sad really as my father was barely around as a child hmm

kim147 Mon 05-Aug-13 22:39:13

Apparently it's the name and profession of the father.

www.ukofficialcertificates.co.uk/images/marriage-certificates.jpg

Wineandchoccy Mon 05-Aug-13 22:40:01

Married in 2008, fathers named but we had our Mums as our witnesses so they are on it.

mrslyman Mon 05-Aug-13 22:40:15

I got married in 2009 and my DM & MIL are both on it. I got married in NI though not sure if they have different registration procedures to other parts of the UK.

freezation Mon 05-Aug-13 22:41:09

northernlurker both dads names and occupations are on my marriage certificate but the mums were the witnesses. I got married 2 years ago. I guess it's tradition. Doesn't make it right though!

nameequality Mon 05-Aug-13 22:41:36

It's a throwback to the patriarchal olden days. I've done a bit of genealogy research and I've got copies of marriage certificates from the late 1800s that look pretty much identical to today's marriage certificates with name and occupation of the bride and groom's fathers.

mrslyman Mon 05-Aug-13 22:42:03

Oh my word is northern Ireland being progressive on this issue <faints with the shock of it>

Waiting2wait2wait Mon 05-Aug-13 22:42:27

We got married in 2011, but Church of Scotland, so Scottish marriage cert. Both of our mothers and fathers are on our certificate in the space reserved for their names, not as a witness. I don't know if this has always been the case in Scotland, or if it is a recent change.

I would agree with you, I think if one is going to be on there, both should be or neither.

freezation Mon 05-Aug-13 22:42:40

Massive cross post...

nameequality Mon 05-Aug-13 22:43:38

kim147 I think you have the correct analysis.

I think I will start a petition to get this changed!

chattychattyboomba Mon 05-Aug-13 22:45:04

Well for what it's worth, I was only able to apply for my British citizenship by decent from my father as after 1984 the law was changed that by decent, you may no longer be eligible through the mother's line (which in my case was my British Born Grandmother -maternal)
It's pretty fucked up. Lucky Dad is British.

BeansAndToast Mon 05-Aug-13 22:45:18

So what happens if you don't want your dad's name on there? Mine is on the birth certificate but has died now and we were not in contact before that. I'd rather not have his name on there somehow.

Theoretical issue at the moment but I am wondering.

kim147 Mon 05-Aug-13 22:45:20

You can never have enough petitions about sexism grin

FrozenFlowers Mon 05-Aug-13 22:47:39

Yes, we also have a Scottish Marriage Certificate (married in a Scottish Episcopal church a few years ago), and both parents are on there. They weren't witnesses though - we had the best man and the bridesmaid for that.

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