OMG Bear and Bare

(94 Posts)
carben Fri 02-Aug-13 13:28:24

To be pissed off with people not being able to tell the difference between bear / bare. It's hardly rocket science. If I see 'bare with me' one more time ....I clearly need to stop skulking in the kitchen on mumsnet and get out and have some quality time with the kids.

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy Fri 02-Aug-13 21:54:16

Ok, that is deletable, so now I will explain.

The 'dyslexia card,' as you so charmingly call it, is people making reference to the fact they have a learning disability.

It's not great fun for them.

I'm not sure why you feel you deserve people to overcome a disability and pretend they don't have it, just so you can feel comfortable?

I am feeling picky, btw. I've just handed in a PhD thesis in English Literature, which I know (because I have re-read it) has quite a lot of dyslexic typos and errors in it. But it has far, far fewer than it otherwise would have because a bunch of lovely MNers took the time to help me find the ones I'd have been most likely to make. I felt confident to ask for help on here because it'd been a while since I'd seen a nasty, prejudiced comment about dyslexia.

Seems I got confident too soon, doesn't it?

mrslyman Fri 02-Aug-13 22:01:09

Well done LRD.

Writing a thesis is hard enough even without being dyslexic, I find I suffer from terrible word blindness which just gets worse as the draft number increases, fortunately my DH is the most amazing proof reader which saves me from the worst of it.

mrslyman Fri 02-Aug-13 22:03:41

That's a well done both for the thesis and for pointing out how ignorant the comments about dyslexia are.

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy Fri 02-Aug-13 22:07:00

Thank you.

I wasn't fishing for compliments about the thesis, I was name-dropping it because it really makes me furious that some people still think that it's ok to talk about a 'dyslexia card'. Honestly, how likely is it that I'm just too lazy to learn spellings, and chose to do something that makes it much harder if I can't learn them? It isn't.

And there are loads of other people in the same boat, but they might not speak up because they will just read that comment and think 'oh, yes, I must just be lazy and stupid, like my teachers always said'.

ChippingInHopHopHop Fri 02-Aug-13 22:10:47

If you can't find Pedants Corner, I'm sure someone will be happy to help you.

ChippingInHopHopHop Fri 02-Aug-13 22:12:23

LRDY - your first post was spot on and there was a time when it was perfectly acceptable on MN. It's a bloody shame it isn't anymore as it's so very handy.

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy Fri 02-Aug-13 22:15:39

True. And thanks.

Satnightdropout Fri 02-Aug-13 22:17:57

My partner is atrocious at spelling but is the biggest "geek" going when it comes to science, maths and current affairs. So isn't always a reflection of someone's intelligence.

mrslyman Fri 02-Aug-13 22:45:24

Even bigger well done for not fishing for compliments then, if I ever manage to finish mine I'll be dropping it into conversation all of the place, but then I still haven't got an approved research plan yet so am slightly in awe of people who make it all the way to submission grin

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy Fri 02-Aug-13 22:47:38

Oh, I do that too.

I just wasn't doing it here. wink

Good luck!

Dyslexia aside, has anyone noticed "right of passage" replacing "rite of passage"?

Or, what used to mean an event that symbolised maturing has been replaced with the belief that one has the right to get plastered and behave like an arse on one's 18th birthday.

Witt Sat 03-Aug-13 08:41:02

LRD I think you have misunderstood my point. I think dyslexia is real and so I think it's unreasonable of people who don't have it to suggest that all people with poor spelling have dyslexia. It devalues it for people who do have it. I hope that makes sense. Where it is genuine then obviously it is reasonable to make exceptions.

Witt Sat 03-Aug-13 08:42:49

Anyway, I am sorry if I caused any offence. I didn't mean to.

JenaiMorris Sat 03-Aug-13 08:53:07

Pedantry is boring. 'Try and', 'different from/to/than' I couldn't care less about.

Toadinthehole's example is the only one mentioned so far that matters, because the meaning of the term is so completely altered.

snowlie Sat 03-Aug-13 08:56:43

I think some of you need therapy - getting quite so annoyed over petty stuff like this is slightly unhinged.

ChasedByBees Sat 03-Aug-13 09:17:59

Maybe 'bare with me' is an invitation.

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy Sat 03-Aug-13 10:39:27

No-one did suggest that all people with poor spelling have dyslexia. I've never seen anyone suggest in on here. What was suggested was that certain mistakes, while 'not rocket science' to avoid if you're NT, are tricky for dyslexics.

That is totally different, and I think you misunderstood that post if you think your response about 'playing the dyslexia card' was an appropriate one.

For what it's worth 'playing the [insert term here] card' is one of those, like 'I'm not racist but ...', which rather devalues any point you might think you're making.

Thanks for apologizing, though, even if it was a bit half-hearted.

JenaiMorris Sat 03-Aug-13 10:46:34

Actually, what is wrong with "try and"? Or "different to"?

JenaiMorris Sat 03-Aug-13 10:54:53

Oh I read email from some really pretty bloody senior people (and some very junior ones, too) - dozens of the things every day.

Other than particularly formal email - for example something where the writer needs to be particularly careful for legal or commercial reasons, the chances of finding a grammatical or spelling error are high. They're generally typos. People are busy, these things happen.

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy Sat 03-Aug-13 11:13:14

'Different to' is apparently accepted in some dictionaries these days (DH is very proud of pointing that out to me). Personally I think it's useful to keep it as 'different from' because it helps little children when they learn arithmetic, as it is an immediate reminder that 'difference' is about the gap between two things. But it is only convention.

'Try and' would require different punctuation from 'try to'. If you say 'I must try, and put out the washing when it stops raining', it implies you're both making an effort (on something unspecified) and you're doing a separate action. 'Try to' indicates you're making the effort specifically to do that action.

I honestly don't think I've ever seen anyone be confused by 'try and', though, not in real life.

Wasapea Sat 03-Aug-13 11:22:31

It isn't petty. It does matter. It's the English language and you should try your best to bloody well use it properly.

My pet hates: 'Don't loose hope.'
'I need some advise.'
'It's discusting.'angry

Also those who think a word ending in a vowel requires an apostrophe before the s to make it a plural. 'I'm making potato's for tea.'

ARRGGHH.

mrslyman Sat 03-Aug-13 12:44:05

But language evolves it always has done, so whilst being able to communicate effectively and convey the meaning is very important, grammar and spelling are always less important and will change over time.

Language does evolve, yes. But grammar and spelling aid in communicating effectively, so they are bloody important. Run-on sentences, lack of punctuation and misspelled words make things harder to read - it's actually quite rude to put the burden of trying to work out what you're getting at on the reader!

I was trying to be nice in my earlier post, but I'll say it now because this is making my blood boil.
I find reverse literacy snobbery ("It's petty/boring", snarky "Pedants Corner is that way", "haven't you got anything better to worry about?" comments etc.) to be far worse than getting annoyed by people making basic mistakes that most 10-year-olds would be able to point out. It seems in the age of the text message, actually wanting to write well is something to be mocked.

if you put this in pedants' corner then you won't get the comments about dyslexia.
smile

HTH

LRD - your post was really well put.

I like your comment about different from, too, because that's exactly why it's important grammar - because you're marking the change/difference between two things, and it should serve as a verbal warning.

"try and" is used a lot instead of "try to" - that's not about spelling, it's about using and in the wrong place. it's the same as when people use <verb>-ing when they should use "to <verb>"
it's lazy and a lot of the time it doesn't make sense.

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