to think this governments attitude towards disabled people and children is disgusting

(73 Posts)
itsnothingoriginal Tue 30-Jul-13 20:46:40

To say they are 'pleased' having won the case that essentially throws disabled families into a poverty situation and may lead to many losing their homes will help save the taxpayer money.

Am I missing something or is this just completely heartless?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 21:29:20

Holly you are misled but its totally understandable why the info is not out there in any useful way.

How it works is this

You have a HB claim lets say for ease sake your rent is £100 pw as off the first of April this year £14 pw was taken off you straight away for 1 room over and above what they say you need. ( along with several other amounts for different things) now about 4 weeks before 1/4 a court case was won by some families with disabled children ( the case had already been won but was appealed by the LA) that basically stated if you have a disabled child the LA has to asses the case for exemption they do not have to do anything other than asses.if medical evidence can be provided that confirms the none disabled child in question ( or if both are disabled the one who you decide not to apply for leaving you another chance to apply if turned down) would create unreasonable disturbance to sleep.

If they don't exempt they do have to justify why not and it can be appealed.

So that's children done.

On to adults no such exemption exists so the £14 gets taken off your award however you can make an application to the DHP/DHF this is a time limited none long term first come first served type of fund.

They also do not have to follow the normal benefit income assessing rules so can take Into account income that is normally protected from means testing even if it is already committed to care costs.if they want they can decide to say "nope you can do away with your carer or xyz"

Its intended to be used for people at risk of homelessness short term to allow them to move to more affordable housing and is in no way guaranteed to be awarded no matter how valid your case is.

Different LA's can decide there own criteria for payments historically its never been enough one of its prior usages was for under 25's with estrangement problems after they changed the rules for those. Each time they change the rules they boost the DHP but never enough to cover the fall out.

Most disabled adults will get turned down unless they have professional help to apply same as all the other disability related benefits. But with the DHP there is no real challenge and no real rules they have to follow.

MrsKeithRichards Tue 30-Jul-13 21:33:50

They found have the guts to tackle pensioners.

My green was closed by the council 25 years ago when my grandad required from work that relays came with tied accommodation.

Lovely 3 bed house (2 sons still at home at the time) and now she is rattling about the house alone with a stair lift in to manage.

Problem is the wait for a one bed ground floor is such that she will probably be dead before she is offered one.

itsnothingoriginal Tue 30-Jul-13 21:34:41

I don't see why it should be more distressing to make a pensioner move than a disabled person due to having an extra bedroom. Both situations are upsetting and would cause anxiety to those involved.

Disabled seem to be fair game though. I would hope LA' s won't force people out but surely that will depend on pressure on social housing?

I'm concerned rulings like this just hardens hearts more in this country...

MunchMunch Tue 30-Jul-13 21:35:31

I thought when he first came into power that the disabled would have been one of the last to face cuts hmm seeing as his son was severley disabled so I thought he would have had some compassion towards disabilities. Obviously not! I didnt vote for them btw.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 21:35:56

Oh and most LA's are still telling people who do not need to use the DHP to do so because they cannot be arsed to learn what they are actually meant to do or only want to tell one member of staff not all of them.

So funding from DHP is being used when it does not need to be reducing it for the cases that do need it.

Rhonda weirdly enough when I saw this thread one of my first thoughts was hmm I wonder if rhonda's seen this.

MunchMunch Tue 30-Jul-13 21:36:40

YANBU -forgot to add.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 21:37:57

Oh and most areas have a approx 15 week backlog on DHP assessments

littlemisswise Tue 30-Jul-13 21:38:19

This Government are despicable. They care about no one but their rich, gentry, landowning type friends.

Where do the propose these people move to? Are they just going to magic up lots of empty 1&2 bedroom properties for them to move in to? Are they fuck.

Do you know what though? I reckon that in 2015 the Tories will get a majority, I really do and I am dreading to think what they will do next. So many people are pleased about what they are doing to people on benefits, the rich/better off pensioners are ok, 75%of people polled don't think Ed Milliband will make a good PM. It's all there if you ask me.sad

Viviennemary Tue 30-Jul-13 21:43:43

It's all down to politics. And if Labour got a decent leader who talked sense they'd have a chance of getting in. But they haven't with Milliband. I voted for them last time but won't next time.

RhondaJean Tue 30-Jul-13 21:47:37

Sock that made me grin

Not that there's much to grin about in the whole sorry mess.

Pensioners aren't touched because they are the biggest voters

xylem8 Tue 30-Jul-13 21:52:48

I can't understand why the woman in the case needs an extra bedroom for her DH.That room is plenty big enough for another bed for him to sleep in too or else he could sleepon a pull out sofa in the lounge.

xylem8 Tue 30-Jul-13 21:55:07

..and I can't believe people are surprised by the tories' actions.
They never have been anything but how they are now,Can't believe so many numpties voted for them.

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 21:56:07

I think the idea with pensioners is that

- they don't have the 1 bed places for them all
- they will be dead eventually and their places will not be filled by more people rattling around in houses two big because they will have been rehoused before 61

It's a long term thing and I think that does make sense, I also foresee them slowly dealing with the pensioners after this latest bout of bedroom tax

GameSetAndMatch Tue 30-Jul-13 21:58:05

its disgraceful. not ONE ofthese high court people has a disabled person in their lives? oh of course, theyre highly paid and get rthe top help and carers and never struggle or have tto pay extra rent.

even scameron and Brown with disabled kids didnt struggle with help did they?

FFS they dont give a bloody shite about us.

RhondaJean Tue 30-Jul-13 21:58:42

"slowly dealing with the pensioner?" wtf does that mean?

McNewPants2013 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:00:20

My rent is £330 per month, for that I have a lovely 3 bedroom house with front and large back garden. This is in newport.

I am 100% sure that in London this would be a lot more.

According to the government I have a spare bedroom even though my son has autism and could not cope sharing a bedroom with DD. I pay my own rent so this isn't an issue for me.

If I was on HB is seem really unlogical that the government would pay for 2 bedrooms regardless of where I live.

filee777 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:00:24

It means dealing with the vast numbers of pensioners rolling about in 3/4/5 bedroom council houses (obviously)

ihategeorgeosborne Tue 30-Jul-13 22:01:55

I don't understand why they don't just build more social housing. It's ridiculous in this country, where we have a situation where the government is quite happy to line the pockets of landlords rather than build more affordable homes. I can only imagine that they must all be in the buy to let industry up to their necks themselves. I agree, this government is awful.

RhondaJean Tue 30-Jul-13 22:03:17

Would you care to quantify these vast numbers?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 22:04:04

Filee, they did not remove the succession rules so no most of the houses will not be back in the running for more people to use.

The only thing that will happen is the tenancies get succeeded

GameSetAndMatch Tue 30-Jul-13 22:05:26

but a lot of immigrants come and take housing? not trying to encourage a biscuit throwing here but it was on the news they dont know how many people come into the country and yet theres a big problem with housing shortage?

dont know if Ive worded that right, this is not a pop at immigrants but a question about housing shortage?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 22:07:44

Game that's not the case.

Ones who have recourse to public funds go on the list just like everybody else ones who don't get sent away from the housing office with nothing.

GameSetAndMatch Tue 30-Jul-13 22:08:17

and how many empty buildings are there left to rack and ruin? but thing is too that

1- people with disabled people have houses adapted to the disabilities yet are told they have to go, and
2-
if theyre so bloody insistent we have to move then THEY should find appropriate housing, not sit back on their silk lined arses and smoke their cubans in their luxury pads.

Trigglesx Tue 30-Jul-13 22:11:35

I was told that due to my DS1 being disabled, that the extra would be paid out of the discretionary fund, but it was mentioned that if the outcome of the court case changed that, then there was the understanding that I could be billed for it. confused I had to give the council a letter from DS1's paediatrician explaining that not only was it not safe for both boys to be in the same room, but that because DS1 (7) was up frequently during the night, it would mean that DS2 (3) would never have a full night's sleep either, which would be detrimental to his schooling and his health.

If it comes down to me having to pay it, I think it's about £50 or so a month. I would pay it if it meant the difference between staying here where they've made a bunch of alterations to my house due to DS1's disability and having to move somewhere else. I'll deal with it because I have to, and cut back in other areas to make sure I have the money. However, I know there are a lot of families out there that won't be able to cover it, and that is horrendous. When someone in the family is disabled, there are enough stresses and worries without this as well, especially with all this changeover to PIP and ATOS appointments and DLA cutbacks.

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