AIBU to think that organ donation should be opt in not opt out

(218 Posts)
SodaStreamy Fri 12-Jul-13 16:41:34

Wales is introducing an 'opt out' for organ donation.Scotland is watching to see if it's worth doing

Personally I don't think this is right

It's taking bits of a humans body without consent

The reasons I am not an organ donor are thus,

there are far too many people who have a dontated organs and change there behaviour and start displaying charactistics of the organ donars personality

I do not want anyone ever to think it's ok to take a bit of my body and put it in someone else and if it wanted it too happen I would tell yes , i'm an organ donor .

But if I don't want it to happen I do not think I hould have to sign a form saying my organs are not harvestable

Trills Fri 12-Jul-13 16:43:44

YABU

CrapBag Fri 12-Jul-13 16:44:51

YANBU.

Its our body and it should be up to us what we do with it. I am an organ donor except for 1 thing that I can't bear the thought of (yes I know I will be dead but still). DH isn't a donor but that's his choice and I have to respect that.

I don't believe in an opt out. It should be as it is now.

mynameisslimshady Fri 12-Jul-13 16:45:00

I assume you would refuse an organ should you, or a loved one, need it too then. If you feel so strongly whats the big deal about opting out rather than opting in?

hermioneweasley Fri 12-Jul-13 16:45:56

YABU, and frankly a little odd. Personality does not reside in kidney or liver. And even if it did, I would rather have a changed personality than be dead.

If you feel strongly while under an opt out system, you can opt out.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Fri 12-Jul-13 16:46:18

It isn't without consent though.
If you don't consent, you demonstrate this by opting out.
It just means that you have to act to say no rather than acting to say yes.

I 100% disagree with you - a system of opting out offers plenty of choice for people who for whatever (in your case slightly bizarre) reasons do not wish to be an organ donor on their death.

SodaStreamy Fri 12-Jul-13 16:46:39

and if any organ of mine failed I would not want receive an organ from anyone else .

Pulling part of of someone and keeping them on life support to 'harvest' their organs is all a bit to frankenstin

People die and when it is your time it is your time

Modern medicine is trying to play god

The thing is, a huge proportion of the population feel totally ok about being an organ donor but haven't signed up or had a conversation with their families, and so their organs are lost to the system on their death.

Which means that people who have very poor quality of life / life expectancy lose the chance of a massive improvement in their situation.

I would happily vote for an "opt out" system if anyone was asking. People who don't want to can then make a tiny little bit of effort to say so.

Oh and I seriously doubt the thing about the organ donor's personality. One National Enquirer article is not evidence that any such things happens. A basic understanding of the human brain would show why that is frankly nonsense.

squoosh Fri 12-Jul-13 16:49:02

YABU.

I think opt out is a brilliant scheme, doubtlessly so will all those who benefit from it, many of whom who would previously have been appalled at the idea of an 'opt out' programme.

to put another spin on this thread there is an ongoing debate that people who choose to opt out should therefore be further down the waiting list if they ever need an organ themselves.

How would you feel about that OP?

jammiedonut Fri 12-Jul-13 16:49:37

I think the opt out is for those with a strong view on the matter. Personally, if I'm happy that if I no longer have a use for my organs they will go to someone else. If I'm in a major accident and lose the ability to verbalise this/ communicate this in any way at least I know that they'll be used. There are probably more people that think the way I do than the way you do (that's not a criticism, I completely understand your point of view) and this is just an easier way of gaining the required information, as we've always had to opt in before. It's a massive shame that countless organs are not used because the patient had not taken the time to give their explicit consent when they probably would have been happy to donate.

littlepeas Fri 12-Jul-13 16:49:38

I though the thing about people changing after receiving an organ was an urban myth - you know everyone has a friend of a friend of a friend to whom it really happened.

My mum insists she knows someone whose hair went from poker straight to curly following a blood transfusion. I don't believe her.

Playing God - yes, we should stop taking antibiotics and offering women caesareans when their baby is stuck and they are both going to die. Cos it was their time, of course hmm

SodaStreamy Fri 12-Jul-13 16:50:30

I should not have to opt out!

It's my body , it's not up for graps for harvesting if I die.

It's mine .....if I opt in fine , but my body should not been seen as a medical toy

Firstly, I believe that personality is in the brain, not in cells of organs of the body so wouldn't see that as a reason to not donate/receive.
Secondly, in this situation, consent would be deemed to be given by virtue of the fact that not opt-out has been made. (I am assuming that this is not applicable to under 16's/18's)

I think that if it bothers someone enough, they will opt-out. The problem is that many people don't have an objection to donation, but never get around to opting in.

If you opt-out I assume that you'd not be eligible to receive an organ either??

Trills Fri 12-Jul-13 16:50:47

Feel free to opt out of all modern medicine if you think it is "playing God". Why do you get to choose where to draw the line?

mynameisslimshady Fri 12-Jul-13 16:50:47

Would you also make the call for a loved one? Really? Could you deny your child a life saving transplant based on your beliefs?

squoosh Fri 12-Jul-13 16:51:15

SodaStreamy 'and if any organ of mine failed I would not want receive an organ from anyone else.

Hmmmm.

What a very easy thing to say when one is not in need of a lifesaving organ donation.

OddBoots Fri 12-Jul-13 16:51:25

I would agree with you if it was compulsory but I'm not sure your argument holds up when there is a simple way to opt out if you don't want to donate.

squoosh Fri 12-Jul-13 16:51:50

You sound a bit overheated OP, have a cool drink and draw the blinds.

littlepeas I suspect your mum's friend might perhaps have gone to the hairdresser once she felt a bit better after the transfusion grin

BuggerLumpsAnnoyed Fri 12-Jul-13 16:52:48

Tbh I don't even think people should be able to opt out. There's not a good enough reason imo. But that's a whole other thread.

littlepeas Fri 12-Jul-13 16:53:16

Would you give your dc a kidney if they needed one?

When it is your time it is your time

I have a dear friend who as a child received an organ from another young person who I assume must have died in an accident of some sort.

My friend grew up to live a happy life with still many years ahead of her.
Should my friend have been just left to die when she didn't have to? Depriving her and her family of a full lifetime?

If you really believe that then I feel sorry for you because not having that 'hope' and value in life and living must be awful.

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