To be furious at poor hygiene

(83 Posts)
PenguinBear Sat 06-Jul-13 18:59:44

We are at a BBQ hosted by another family and he has just put the meat on the BBQ. He touched all the raw meat with his hands and has since poured the wine, touched the chair and then his face! I am a tad very neurotic about raw meat after a horrendous food poisoning incident while camping as a teen. 

I don't feel I can eat anything or let the dc go near anything. What do I do? I feel v stressed ( I knows it's an over reaction) but what do I do?

Crinkle77 Mon 08-Jul-13 14:46:32

I don't think you are obsessive either. What if he then goes and touches cooked food, salad or buns? I have to tell my fella to wash his hands after touching raw meat cos he doesn't either, then goes and touches the bread. yuck!

Thatballwasin Mon 08-Jul-13 14:39:58

Remind me never to attend a MN barbecue......

Thatballwasin Mon 08-Jul-13 14:12:45

No, you're being entirely reasonable, that's absolutely grim and I'm very surprised so many people seem to have no problem with this.

The trad butchers near me has a glass booth where a cashier sits, she doesn't handle the meat and the butchers don't handle the money. It's not a posh butchers.

Wallison Mon 08-Jul-13 11:30:42

Yes but steak tartare isn't cooked.

shootthatfruit Mon 08-Jul-13 10:05:57

Mince and therefore steak tartare has any faecal bacteria like E. coli from the carcass mixed right through it so if it's not cooked through the bacteria are thriving.

Rare steaks have only the inside (where the faecal material won't be) raw, the outside where they might be bas been cooked.

OP YANBU. I'm shocked that people think basic food hygiene round raw meat counts as being fussy - it's basic and I'm amazed at anyone who's comfortable handling raw meat and not washing their hands. Never mind people who do that where they're serving food to other people. It's either selfish and lazy, or it shows really embarrassing ignorance of how food poisoning works.

It's takes a scarily tiny number of individual bacteria for E. coli to make someone ill (you don't need it to have been multiplying in warm food for hours first) and if it's a child under five or an elderly person they can die from it. I'd honestly be more comfortable drinking from a glass my host's child had just wiped bogies all over the outside of, than one my host handed to me straight after handling raw burgers. (Obviously I'd prefer neither, but if I had to choose...)

If there is anyone out there who's a bit vague on food safety and bbqs it would be worth them reading this:

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Summerhealth/Pages/Barbecuefoodsafety.aspx

Wallison Mon 08-Jul-13 09:28:12

What is the difference between eating mince and steak tartare?

phantomnamechanger Sun 07-Jul-13 17:01:21

EN - maybe you have not read the threads on silent drowning?

For this reason I never let my children go to swimming parties - you do not know how well the adults supervising are doing their job - plenty of children have drowned at family BBQs/holiday homes etc where everyone thought someone else was watching the kids, the sun was out, everyone was in party mode, enjoying a few drinks, what could go wrong....

a quick look up now and then (from MNing etc) to check no one in the water appears to be panicking is NOT going to spot the child who is silently drowning, just out of their depth, and unable to shout for help or act distressed. Most children drown within sight of an adult.

LilacPeony Sun 07-Jul-13 16:43:21

I'm surprised so many people think there's no need to wash your hands after touching raw meat.

EliotNess Sun 07-Jul-13 16:19:57

You don't have to STARE at kids to look after them. Really

Dackyduddles Sun 07-Jul-13 15:40:27

You are supervising all kids by a POOL and you are on the phone, mning?!!!

Get off the thing now and pay some fecking attention.

Unless you lick his chair what's the issue?

phantomnamechanger Sun 07-Jul-13 15:37:04

raw steak or rare/medium is not the same as burger mince or chicken or pork outside on a hot day though, is it.

phantomnamechanger Sun 07-Jul-13 15:35:12

I'm frankly amazed that so many of you think this is OK and nowt to worry about - as others have said, the contact with raw meat then touching all sorts of other items, coupled with the heat is a recipe <pun intended> for disaster. Someone else can handle the wine bottle just before picking up their burger to eat, you don't expect a wine bottle to be covered in raw meat bacteria

However, I can't be the only one shock at the OP MNing when she * is supposed to be supervising kids in the pool*

nennypops Sun 07-Jul-13 15:34:38

You have heard of people eating rare steaks, right? How do you imagine they survive given that they're not only touching raw meat, they're eating it? YABU.

JerseySpud Sun 07-Jul-13 15:23:19

I think some people are way too over the top. However did we all survive before the health and safety brigade came along...

RoooneyMara Sun 07-Jul-13 15:13:09

I think you're all being very cruel to the OP.

It is minging to touch anything after handling raw meat.

No, she won't be licking the chairs but she might touch the chair he touched, and then her hands will have any bacteria that has been put on the chair, and the chair is presumably in the sun so it will be breeding away merrily.

I'd probably not eat anything that had been touched by someone else after being cooked. Or just, nothing. Then eat when I got home. Or steal some bread from their kitchen, instead.

I am back Gigondas. Tongs and gloves were worn. Someone else took the money. All cakes covered in between slices being cut. Humph.

miffybun73 Sun 07-Jul-13 11:36:45

YANBU, that's gross.

I really can't believe that anyone would put raw meat on the BBQ and then not go and immediately wash their hands in hot soapy water. It's really not that difficult is it?!

Gigondas Sun 07-Jul-13 11:26:10

I think you should take a clipboard sparkling and make notes of the food safety issues you see then pass on the notes you make.

LilacPeony Sun 07-Jul-13 11:20:54

I think it's odd not to want to wash your hands after handling raw meat

gobbledegook1 Sun 07-Jul-13 10:54:36

YANBU, I'm also religious about washing my hands straight after touching raw meat making sure not to touch other things this would get to me also.

MadeOfStarDust Sun 07-Jul-13 10:15:52

ooooohhhh yum <not> sparkling....

YY fairy I would be more worried about the Coleslaw left in the sun with Bluebottles pooing in it TBH.

fairylightsinthespring Sun 07-Jul-13 09:54:35

raw meat is not inherently dangerous, you can eat raw meat, even chicken actually and it won't make you ill UNLESS there is something wrong with it in the first place. You're far more likely to be ill from eating mayo or the cooked food that has been left out in the sun for too long.

In the Dominican Republic they keep their money in their socks. confused

OMG ABF pooey Lemon Drizzle cake. sad

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