I just can't decide who I should support in this case.

(60 Posts)
Mixxy Mon 24-Jun-13 00:59:53

MESSAGE FROM MNHQ - WE HAVE BEEN ASKED WARN YOU THAT THIS LINK CONTAINS GRAPHIC SEXUAL REFERENCES.

Does she have a point?

www.ravenews.ca/en/read/2013/march/28/

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 25-Jun-13 09:53:53

Just lol at "Kosher toilet"

DioneTheDiabolist Tue 25-Jun-13 09:48:14

If I were the boss of the club, I would tell my toilets and other staff that No, is a full sentence and that they should not give the customer any reason when they refuse.

crashdoll Tue 25-Jun-13 09:21:00

I can feel my breakfast trying to make another appearance. sad

CheerfulYank Tue 25-Jun-13 09:05:55

I...I just...I...hmm.

<clutches pearls>

But I'm on his side. Such as it is. <boak>

passmetheprozac Tue 25-Jun-13 09:01:50

I am with the guy on this. He had every right to say no, regardless of the fact he was employed to do this. The club owner is on his side so I am assuming that in his contract is a clause to say no, the guy likes people pissing on his face and he is employed to have people piss on his face. He in my opinion is allowed to draw the line at menstruating women.

When I am on my period, the river runs red iyswim?

It is a sexual act, and he has every right to say no. In this scenario if she had ignored him, would it have been some kind of assault?

This is quite interesting.

differentnameforthis Tue 25-Jun-13 08:56:43

He refused service based on his religious beliefs

A religious doctor refused to refer me for a termination, all in the nicest possible way. I didn't kick up a fuss, even though it meant I had to make another appointment, because I respected her religious beliefs.

It's about respecting people's boundaries. If a woman is a prostitute & she refuses to do anal/s&m, is that discrimination against her 'customer'. No of course it isn't, because it is her right to choose what she does with her body, regardless of what else she chooses to do with it.

Mixxy Tue 25-Jun-13 08:16:59

But swallowing the urine is his job. Just because you and I are replused by it, doesn't mean its not his job and he was not forced to do it. I'm unsure of Canadian law regarding service employees. While I feel that the woman was discriminated against, I now think that the toilets right to avoid assault or exploitation trumps her. I do feel the religious reason is bullshit as he is not applying the Kosher Laws across the board, I see that the need to avoid exploitation trumps discrimination. I suggest that qomen wear stars on their sleeves if they wish to use the Kosher toilet.

Ellellie Tue 25-Jun-13 08:15:09

Dafaq hmm

Steben Tue 25-Jun-13 08:10:56

There really are no words. I must have led a very sheltered life.

Being paid to do a job doesn't necessarily mean that you have to carry it out indiscriminately. It depends both on the seriousness of the objection and the degree of discrimination that the client experiences. So religious B&B owner refuses to let to gay couple is unlawful because the owners' objections are unreasonable. A club offering only one toilet, which happened to be a human toilet (!) and which did not cater for menstruating women would be unlawful (on the part of the club) because any menstruating women would be very disadvantaged. A religious surgeon doesn't have to carry out terminations as their objections are (considered) reasonable.
However, in this particular case it is not unlawful because the 'toilet's' objections are reasonable, not because of kosher but simply because the act of swallowing someone's urine (ick) must be wholeheartedly consented to otherwise it becomes assault. Nobody can be contracted to be assaulted against their will. Furthermore, the client wasn't disadvantaged because there were other toilets she could use.

Mixxy Tue 25-Jun-13 04:24:51

Interesting. I get that on the scene consent is everything, but what made it interesting to me is that hes employed as a worker, not sort of doing it for fun.

I just find it shock that somebody involved in all this is so religious and repulsed by menstrual blood.

Eastpoint Tue 25-Jun-13 04:19:26

I don't understand what the woman was supposed to do. Was she supposed to ask each toilet if they minded her having her period before she used it? Does the club also have normal toilets? There is no mention of them.

MidniteScribbler Tue 25-Jun-13 04:03:50

OK, couldn't let it go. I asked a friend last night who is in to this "scene" (perfectly lovely chap, shows toy poodles and works as a florist!) about what he thought of it. He was firmly on the side of the "toilet" and said that these sorts of groups had very strict rules of etiquette surrounding clubs and interactions and that regardless of what "position" you took in a situation, that you always had the right to say no, with no questions asked and you didn't have to justify why. He questioned whether the girl was new to the scene as his quote was "unless anyone can say no, at anytime, then the whole scene just won't work". He had pretty strong feelings about it.

mrssprout Tue 25-Jun-13 02:09:48

I really am speechless. Now I really need to find out how to clear my internet browsing history ! Someone warned me to find out how to do this when I first joined here, I should have listened

DioneTheDiabolist Tue 25-Jun-13 01:33:04

Wow.shock. Erm, just wow. Never expected to read anything like that when I woke up this morning. Or ever.

I think that the human toilet wins, although it's very close. It comes down to discrimination vs exploitation. Consent must always be sought from the sex worker. Where it is not, the crime of sexual assault happens. Patrons of such clubs are aware of the consensual nature of what goes on inside. She may be pissed off that he won't let her piss on him, but she has no legal recourse.

So that's it. He wins because if she does a crime will be committed.grin

Lioninthesun Tue 25-Jun-13 01:08:50

An ex of mine had an addiction to this kind of porn completely unbeknownst to me. Needless to say that is why he is the EX. I couldn't eat anything brown for months when I found his stash. Grim.

Lioninthesun Tue 25-Jun-13 01:06:31

Ha ha ha at emailing a rabbi!
What happens if said woman is unaware of impending menstruation - a few days out or whatever; would she have broken the law if this guy wins?

eeewwww!!!! shock

DO NOT CLICK ON THE CONDOM LINK!!

<goes to lay down> confused

wtf did i just read?

i dont know whether to laugh or be horrified

am actually doing both and its very weird!

Mixxy Tue 25-Jun-13 00:17:43

I emailed a Rabbi friend for further instruction. Her response was that god would probably disagree with more than the kosher element in this situation.

DeepPurple Tue 25-Jun-13 00:08:27

The toilet has the right to decide who uses him. It's a sexual act and as such he has the right to say no.

Does the club have real toilets too? Mind boggles...

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 24-Jun-13 23:58:17

I agree with the loo.

If its a sex act then sex rules apply

Hang on, surely he couldn't be a toilet for anybody not Jew, what if they had eaten non-Kosher meat? That would make what comes out of them non-Kosher right?

crumblepie Mon 24-Jun-13 23:21:42

just read this and the condom link , it has got to be a joke surely , are there really people that sick out there .

Oh, and yes he has the right to choose who does pee on him, something I never thought I'd write!

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