to ask what are schools for?

(108 Posts)
kim147 Sat 22-Jun-13 23:23:12

What do you see as the point of education?

What do you hope your DCs will get out of our education system?

<deep>

Zavi Sat 22-Jun-13 23:43:38

Schools are local council-controlled buildings. No more, no less.

In this country it is a parent's responsibility to educate their child, not the States.

Most parents choose to engage the local education authority / council in sharing that responsibility for educating their child.

Some take it upon themselves to educate their children privately - either by sending them to a private (i.e. fee-paying) school or by educating their children themselves (home education).

Home educators are responsible for educating their own children - in whatever way they see fit (with some very, very broad caveats). State-educated children will follow the National Curriculum.

hiddenhome Sat 22-Jun-13 23:48:56

Schools exist to turn people into mindless drones who are incapable of thinking for themselves. They are particularly good at ensuring that nobody can actually enjoy learning for learnings sake. Mediocrity is the name of the game hmm

blissfullytired Sat 22-Jun-13 23:50:15

I would like the state education system to be one in which all children regardless of income thrive and reach the best of their ability.

In reality some days I feel it is a holding pen to keep them in and out of trouble during the day or somewhere I know dd is reasonably safe until I finish work.

There are some damn good teachers who inspire and do get even the struggler of strugglers to their best.
Like any job there are ones not so good and children fall through the gaps.

[despondant as the mother of a child with sen after six years in the education system]

Pickle131 Sat 22-Jun-13 23:53:20

You might well wonder. I'd recommend "What's the Point of School?" by Professor Guy Claxton.

AgentZigzag Sun 23-Jun-13 00:05:12

I would like to think they're to teach the basics of subjects to children, at the same time as showing them ways of resolving conflict with their peers in ways other than decking them.

In reality though, what hiddenhome said, and if you don't fit in and fall through the net, you're destined to be a nobody unless you've got the strength to drag yourself up and prove all the fuckers wrong.

I can't believe we still put children through all this shit knowing how destructive a system it can be. Good for some, torture for most.

AgentZigzag Sun 23-Jun-13 00:07:00

And I'm not using the word torture lightly.

It's a bit of a strong sentiment to say I think schools torture children, but if they were adults, it'd never be allowed because of the possible long term psychological distress the system can cause.

To give parents a few hours away from the kids grin

Cant be more serious, accept my apologies.

I didn't like school but will be sending my son confused Strange when you think about it

blissfullytired Sun 23-Jun-13 00:11:24

I was once told (by a university lecturer) private school was for the leaders of the future, state school for the sheep who served them.

I am not sure I fully agree with that but having had a child in both state and private (and a pretty crappy private at that) I can fully see the difference in attitudes of what the teachers told the children they could achieve.

DeepPurple Sun 23-Jun-13 00:17:17

The point of education? To become educated, learn about the world, learn how to socialise, respect authority and ultimately achieve a level of education that you can use in your chosen profession.

I hope DD will do her best to achieve a level of success, become a well rounded person, understand about life and ultimately fulfil the goals that she sets for herself.

When did people become so negative about education? Where would we be without it? There is plenty of choice out there for those that don't like the state education. Home ed, private school, tutors etc.

In some countries children walk for miles just to get a few hours of education.

If parents have such a negative attitude to education then there is no wonder that children do too.

Zavi Sun 23-Jun-13 00:26:00

Just to add to that!....

Parents need to decide for themselves how they feel their child's education will be best addressed.

I think many parents just assume that they need to send their kids to (any) school when they turn five. They don't.

I also think that many parents assume that, if they send their children to school, that their children will end up being "educated"

That's just not true.

DeepPurple Sun 23-Jun-13 00:33:39

It isn't just up to school to educate children. It is also the parent's responsibility. It amazes me how many people seem to think that it is just about school teaching them everything when there is so much formal and informal teaching that can, and should, be done at home.

It really saddens me that our education system is taken so much for granted and slated all the time.

Every child is entitled to receive a state education in England. How much the child gets out of it comes down to attitude, ability, parental support and willingness to learn.

OwlinaTree Sun 23-Jun-13 00:36:45

What you fail to appreciate is that great as home schooling can be, for the vast majority of children, school is their greatest opportunity to achieve in so many ways. To be appreciated as a person, be respected, learn to read and write, socialise, tolerate and respect others in their many different forms.

I would never knock the right to home school. But until you have seen how some children live, never knock the opportunity that is education for all

Notcontent Sun 23-Jun-13 01:10:58

Interesting - I was thinking about this tonight,
Very much agree with blissfullybtired.
I can't home educate because I work, and also I think school is essential for children's social development. But even though my DC goes to a good school (state) I think a huge amount of her formal learning has happened at home.

AgentZigzag Sun 23-Jun-13 01:25:40

People who were fucked up by being the round peg in a square hole have always been negative about the inflexibility of the system Deep.

Like my very telented ex who was routinely humiliated by teachers calling him thick/stupid in front of the class but didn't know (70's) that he was dyslexic.

He knew he could do stuff, but it twisted him into someone who felt worthless and didn't feel he could try anything in the end in case he failed.

Schools work if you look at them on a social level, but thinking it's working well by ignoring the individual problems there are minimizes the impact it can have.

sashh Sun 23-Jun-13 06:24:04

People who were fucked up by being the round peg in a square hole have always been negative about the inflexibility of the system Deep.

So true.

No idea why we think that all kids will fit the same system. There should be a variety of schools with different learning styles.

exoticfruits Sun 23-Jun-13 07:01:48

What depressing views are being shown here!
When I was 5 I adored it- it was a whole new world opened up. I would hope that it does what it did for me and gave a lifelong love of learning.
It opens up a whole new set of views, opinions, ways of seeing life. There are people to bounce ideas off.
The whole of human nature is there and is fascinating. There is also a huge mix of backgrounds. You see the same people everyday and friendships can develop.
Schools are to do all the above and they are to give you the qualifications that will keep all doors open for you so that you can have the widest possible choice of career.

That is not to say that I approve of some of the changes or Michael Gove.
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I would like the teaching to fit the child and not the child to fit the teaching.
I could write a long essay on how I would organise schools and change the education system- but will spare you all!

BlackholesAndRevelations Sun 23-Jun-13 07:14:11

Schools are so much better for the "square pegs" now than they were in the 70s and 80s. You'd never expect to be told you're thick/ routinely humiliated if you had sen. The children with sen actually get the most input if you ask me; it's the gifted and talented who might get held back.

However, I couldn't agree more that education starts and ends at home.

justwondering72 Sun 23-Jun-13 07:19:34

DH is a secondary teacher. On a good day he'd agree with the pp - opening up children to the world outside their own experiences, developing a love of learning etc. on a bad day, he'd say schools are nothing nor than mass state child care enabling both parents to work and UK PLC to function as it does.

TheYamiOfYawn Sun 23-Jun-13 07:24:51

Properly dine, schools are a place where a child can be exposed to new concepts, have her ideas challenged, meet people she wouldn't encounter otherwise, get to learn from.experts in a wide range of subjects, have a safe space to grow and develop away from her family, and have her innate childish love of learning nurtured and developed until she has the resources to continue learning for the rest of her life.

Plenty of schools manage this, and I am sorry that so many of you have experienced schools that don't.

exoticfruits Sun 23-Jun-13 07:39:40

An excellent answer TheYam. They should be a partnership - they are only at school for 6 hours a day- education doesn't start at 9am and finish soon after 3pm!

cory Sun 23-Jun-13 08:07:32

Agree with everything TheYami says.

Though ds doesn't: he thinks school is there to supply him with a handy venue for planning his social life wink

Can't say that I've noticed that my teens have been turned into mindless drones, nor do their friends seem to indulge in mindless droning or appear incapable of enjoying learning for its own sake. If that was the aim of the school system, I'd have to say that our local schools seem to be failing spectacularly.

exoticfruits Sun 23-Jun-13 08:35:32

I do get fed up with the 'drones' and 'sheep' bit. All the young people that I know are very sparky and individualistic. I think it is much easier to be both if you have to have your separate life away from home for part of the day. Having said that I know some HE young people and no one would be able to say, in a group, which were the HEed ones. Therefore if schools want to turn out drones and sheep they are failing - the HE ones ought to stand out like beacons and they don't!

exoticfruits Sun 23-Jun-13 08:37:53

I think that TheYami put it very well- I was trying to say similar but in a rambling way. TheYami has it in a nutshell. It is just a pity that all schools can't do it.

katydid02 Sun 23-Jun-13 08:45:10

To inspire, to make children curioius about the world around them, to provide children with opportunities, to enable them to learn how the world functions with regard to social interaction, to learn how to win and how to lose, to work in partnership with parents who are interested and supportive and want to educate their children and to have their children educated and to fill the gap when parents cannot or will not be supportive for whatever reason.

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