to expect a login to a computer when doing supply at a school

(73 Posts)
kim147 Thu 20-Jun-13 22:08:14

Or even a computer?
Schools are pretty good at giving you a leaflet about the school when you do supply. Tellls you playtimes, behaviour and other routines.

But you sometimes have to fight tooth and nail to get a login. Hardly anyone seems to know a supply login and sometimes they are forced to give you their login.

And asking for access to the internet to get resources - well that's just a whole new password.

Been to some schools where the teacher has a laptop which they've taken home. And no laptop has been available in the school. There is no whiteboard in the class as it has been replaced with the interactive one.

I sometimes think teachers should all have experience of supply just so they know how to help a supply teacher when one comes in.

snotfunny Thu 20-Jun-13 22:10:55

Well I'm an ICT co-ordinator and I made an ICT pack for supply teachers containing log-ins and information about equipment and so on. The office staff give it out to any supply teachers. We're not all bad!

OrangeLily Thu 20-Jun-13 22:11:06

Surely log ins are a management issue and not a teachers issue. If you are paid to so supply then do it but sit expect someone else to a management job.

exoticfruits Thu 20-Jun-13 22:34:44

I think that you are missing the point OrangeLily! Every classroom I have done supply in has an interactive white board and you need to log in to use it. I agree OP that you can waste no end of time trying to get on and I have often had to have another teacher's log in. Schools that are on the ball have a special supply log in- I don't know why they all don't.
Taking the connecting lap top home is inconsiderate and not the sort of school I would go back to.

Spikeytree Thu 20-Jun-13 22:39:27

Supply only get a laptop at my school if they are long-term. You wouldn't get one for the day and the staff leaving cover wouldn't leave cover that required one. Every teacher has their own laptop and is expected to take it home - each laptop can only be logged onto by the person it is allocated to.

I have done supply in the past and it was ever thus in my experience.

kim147 Thu 20-Jun-13 22:39:54

Fortunately many schools have a very simple password to get on to the system so I can often guess it grin

Or I ask a pupil.

kim147 Thu 20-Jun-13 22:41:34

spikey Some schools which are on the ball have spare laptops for supply teachers along with access codes as well.

Some look at you and wonder why you need to use a computer and the whiteboard when you have a completely new class for the day.

exoticfruits Thu 20-Jun-13 22:42:13

I would go to your school once, spikeytree and not go back.

exoticfruits Thu 20-Jun-13 22:43:11

I use the interactive whiteboard whatever work is set.

OrangeLily Thu 20-Jun-13 22:45:12

I didn't miss the point. I just think you should deal with management rather than moan about teachers.

If the teacher has left cover work that needs access to a laptop then YANBU. However, if they have left written work or something else then of course they will take their laptop home.

Spikeytree Thu 20-Jun-13 22:46:14

Some schools must have lots of money then. If our laptops break we don't even get a spare! We also have our own cables for connecting to the boards so you wouldn't have access to those either as we take them with us because no-one has their own room.

storynanny Thu 20-Jun-13 22:47:35

It's the biggest problem I have as a supply teacher. Very often the plan says use so and so on the IWB or use xyz PowerPoint as a starting point. How? With no laptop attached to the said IWB it's very very tricky!!
In my experience very few schools have a reliable system for supply teachers to use their ICT equipment. Even if th e class teacher logs on for me invariably I have to seek her out later in the day to redo her password. If she's not on the premises that's the end of ICT for the day.
I have raised this several times with various head teachers but nothing has improved.
Ah well, good job I always have something up my sleeve as a backup!

Eyesunderarock Thu 20-Jun-13 22:48:22

We have a login and password that is specifically for supply, which also limits their access to secure data on the school intranet but allows all the shared drives for work, as well as the IWB and classroom laptop.
We have a supply file for every class, with information relevant to the school and the class. it's inefficient not to.

Spikeytree Thu 20-Jun-13 22:50:37

I think this may be a primary/secondary divide.

exoticfruits Thu 20-Jun-13 22:52:09

Maybe you have big schools OrangeLily- in a small village school it is quite likely to be a teaching head- there is no management team. Quite often there is a friendly TA who has been there donkey's years and knows everything!

storynanny Thu 20-Jun-13 22:52:31

My experience is only within primary so don't know what happens locally in secondary

exoticfruits Thu 20-Jun-13 22:53:02

Maybe OrangeLily is secondary with talk of 'management'.

Eyesunderarock Thu 20-Jun-13 22:53:38

Have we got a difference here between primary and secondary supply?
If the teacher had taken the laptop home, we just take one from one of the three IT trollies..

Eyesunderarock Thu 20-Jun-13 22:54:06

xpost Spikey! smile

exoticfruits Thu 20-Jun-13 22:54:21

It confirms my opinion that your school is one I wouldn't return to Spikeytree .

exoticfruits Thu 20-Jun-13 22:56:30

Three IT trollies.......if only!

Movingtimes Thu 20-Jun-13 22:56:55

I have done secondary supply and never get access to the IT system, but that is not a particular problem if cover work is left and paper registers etc. I say IF. Sometimes of course it isn't and that's a whole other story. But covering a primary class for a whole day without access to IT would be quite a challenge I reckon.

ihearsounds Thu 20-Jun-13 22:57:21

The log ins are down to the management/ict person. They are not set by teaching staff, who will assume you know this info.

Maybe schools relying solely on tech should look more at desktops than laptops? THen there will not be the problem of not being any in the class.

Maybe some teachers should lesson plan for an entire week, and leave it in an accessible place.

Maybe some supply teachers should be a bit more honest aobut the type of work they are capable of... We have a massive problem with this. Supply teachers coming to us, who claim to have extensive experience of various sn schools, but reality is they don't.

Spikeytree Thu 20-Jun-13 22:59:10

I don't think access to IT is the norm for secondary supply. Our supply teachers are given class lists in the morning and send a pupil to the relevant key stage office. All work is from a worksheet/text book for cover - you rarely get a specialist so you wouldn't set anything that isn't fairly obvious to work out.

kim147 Thu 20-Jun-13 22:59:20

Registers!!

Electronic registers are quite common now - but again, it seems a surprise to the school that you expect some kind of login to do that as well.

Primary - even cover work normally requires a board to write on and actually teach a lesson. Many schools no longer have boards or have covered them up with lots of displays.

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