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AIBU to expect people to respect parent & child car spaces?(185 Posts)
This is something that has bugged me for a long time. I am constantly seeing men in vans in parent and child spaces amongst others. I would never park in a disabled space or a parent and child space if my dc were not with me!
Today I waited for a space at the GPs and when the person left a clearly signposted parent and child space someone cut me up and sped into the space. She then got out WITHOUT A CHILD. I wound my window down and said excuse me, I was waiting for that space and you don't have a child with you. Did she have the decency to back down or apologise? No, she gave me a tirade of abuse! There should be passes or something for those spaces, (like the disabled ones) to fine people who don't use them correctly.
They could paint feet on the pavement so that they know the safe way. Children, even small ones can walk or they can sit on trolleys - the relevant ones would be in the right area.
VixZen has a point.
DH's road manners went by the wayside when we were rushing DD to A and E with an allergic reaction..lots of horn honking
Yes there could be a path all the way to the door.
You wouldn't put them so they had to cross the car park- you would put them so they didn't need to cross but in a far corner- problem solved. They do not need to be near the shop- they just need extra space.
We don't really have P&C spaces here - there are a couple labelled "Stork" near the front of the car park but they're the same size as all the others & mostly get used by everyone. Each space is separated by a double line to allow for larger cars/door opening needs.
However - this woman sped into a doctors car park, cut OP up to get into the space, unleashed an angry torrent ... Did anyone think she might have been called in as her child was in extremis in there? Or another family member? Think if I'd been called by someone and told "this is the surgery, we have your DP/DS here and you need to come now" I might have behaved exactly as this driver did. Screamed into the first space I could see whether someone was waiting or not, hurled angry panic at anyone who tried to slow me down and raced into the surgery.
Of course if she was just late, or going shopping or something, then she was just rude.
Actually, i've changed my mind. It is about space for me bwcause I have a baby in a car seat, but when my baby is bigger, by which time I may have one or two other children, it will no longer just be about space, it will also be about safety. I have not done it as I am a first time mum, but I can imagine that getting three small children of varying ages across a car park, while trying to negotiate a trolley full of shopping, can't be very easy. So I see no issue in the slightest with making things slightly easier for the mother/father, amd safer for the children/other drivers.
It IS about space. I couldn't give a shit where the p&c parking is, I like to use it because it makes it easier to get my baby out of the car, and that's a fact. There have been a number of people on this thread who have said this, we aren't liars, we don't feel 'entitled', and we aren't part of some 'p & c brigade.
I think it would be petty to move the p&c spaces to the back of the car park, and would certainly mean that it couldn't act as overflow parking if the disabled spaces were all full, which would be a shame. But sure, by all means petition to have it moved if it makes you feel better?!
Sod that. If one is empty and I can't get another space then now I will park there....easier for my coupe!!
Tokengirl, I agree. The whole principle is about allowing a bit of extra space, not about being closer to the shop and being lazy!
Nah, the p&c brigade would be up in arms to have to cross a car park.
It's not about space, it's about entitlement.
They have small children don't you know.
Agree with manic on social norms and basic manners.
I don't understand why p&c parking should be done away with, sorry must be missing something here.
It's not fun keeping one, two or more babies and toddlers safe whilst pushing a fully loaded trolley across a large supermarket car park with lots of stressed out shoppers who are in a hurry.
P and c car spaces are for the lazy, whether you have a kid or not, if it's pissing down with rain and a howling gale, we all want to get in and out as soon as possible.
Personally, I.ve never used them, I don.t drive, but when ds was small my ex just parked wherever and ds came out unscathed.
I want a 'person who hates getting their hair wet' space myself.
I also agree that there should be spaces for the elderly, many don't have a blue badge, but they struggle way more than fit healthy mums.
The world would be a nicer place if people weren't selfish or lazy.
Moving the spaces is fine - but it's a bit like saying people can't be relied on to be kind. We have to make it in their own interests to do something helpful to others. Sad.
I've been there shifting 3 children under 4 across a carpark on my own in the rain. My mum was too. That's why she'd rather I had a bit of help. Why wouldn't you want to make it easier? Would you rather it was harder, made the family more stressed, wasted time that could be spent better ways? (I say "you" because saying "one" would sound ridiculous.)
It is the really easy answer TokenGirl- can't see why it isn't done.
Yes, I agree with moving the spaces further away from the shops and I expect that they will then be used for the people that they are intended for.
At my local supermarkets the P&C spaces are where they are because that's where they keep the various toddler and baby friendly trollies with the wee seats. If you have to park a long way from these when you have a baby or toddler in tow it can be a pain in the arse. This is why people parking two-seater sports cars there without DCs in them can give me the hump: unnecessary buggy deployment or baby portage required.
I think there's a common misconception on this site that p and c spaces are used by people who want to park close to the shops and are too lazy to park further away.
In my experience is that cars tend to be a bit wider nowadays compared to those of 20-30 odd years ago so spaces in some car parks aren't very wide. Also, because we use car seats now, you need to britax able to open your passenger doors quite wide to get your child in and out.
I am more than happy to park where no other cars are in a car park so I can get my kids in and out of the car easily but someone always seems to park next to me and not give me enough space to open the door wide enough to get my toddlers in the car and my body in far enough to strap them in. It drives me mad. Don't even talk to me about the times when I had to get an infant carrier out of both sides of the car, they're heavy enough either a sleeping baby in them without struggling to get them out of the car.
That is why people need p and c spaces. Not because they are entitled or lazy. It's just common courtesy to only use these spaces when you actually need them.
"'we would respectfully request that spaces by the door are left for those who really need such spaces'"
While a bit wordy, I like the sentiment in this.
I don't think people deliberately park there just to piss people off - but if it's busy and all the other spaces are taken up. Why the hell now? I will in future.
Hi Miaow, it was me . Our Asda's lovely. The disabled bays are right at the front door (as they should be). To the side is a big long walkway with parking either side. Vans can park there, 4X4s, pick up trucks, it doesn't matter, you can always get in and out, and then at the end of the walkway's a crossing so it's actually safer than P&C up the back. I don't know why people park anywhere else.
I find it astonishing that anyone would be so crass as to deliberately use a space in order to make others cross or upset. Whatever the rights or wrongs about p&c spaces, that is just infantile.
I agree with the view that they should be moved to the back of the car park. As for the poster who claims that because parents spend more in the supermarket they have 'bought their right to a space by the door', what a load of rubbish. In fact it makes me want to borrow a minibus and park it sideways across several P&C spaces.
I also hate this view that people who object to the self entitled behaviour around these spaces are 'sour', 'bitter' etc. No, they're not. I don't think anyone would object if the spaces were reserved for elderly people or converted to BB spaces, or simply had a sign saying 'we would respectfully request that spaces by the door are left for those who really need such spaces' or somesuch. It is the selection of one group of people at the expense of other equally deserving people such as old people or, as Arabesque pointed out, people who are temporarily not very able bodied, that most people object to.
Wow, I have never parked in a P&C space - but now I think I will!
Now the argument for generally wider parking spaces is useful - especially as my car is wide and sometimes some tossers park so close that I can't even open the door properly without bashing their car let alone actually get in.....
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