to think we should just get rid of surnames

(41 Posts)
kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 20:47:29

It seems it would make life a lot easier.

Maybe it could be replaced with where you were born?

Kim of ........

kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 20:48:22

There'd be no titles either.

No Miss, Ms, Mrs etc

MalcolmTuckersMum Thu 13-Jun-13 20:49:32

Can't see that working. Kim number 101548 of Somewheresville maybe. So - just like a surname then? grin

TheMagic of Gamla Stan?

How man millions would be London though?

DS would be known as DS of Londln. He's got a fairly common name. Everyone would get confused!

kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 20:53:09

But look at John Smith

GrimmaTheNome Thu 13-Jun-13 20:53:50

You'd get women in labour driving hell for leather out of some of the more oddly named towns in this land.

You can just imagine the police pulling said lady over and then giving her an escort to get her safely out of Wetwang....

runningonwillpower Thu 13-Jun-13 20:55:20

In what way would it make life easier?

Is this really about complicated family relationships?

kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 20:57:47

Might be smile

It would solve the hassle of changing surnames, having DCs with different names

I bet in the old days, we didn't have surnames.

I wonder who invented them

Theselittlelightsofmine Thu 13-Jun-13 21:00:28

I thought that was how surnames came about....first name followed by the place you were from and then the place you were from name got handed down from generation to generation and that's how having a surname came about??

runningonwillpower Thu 13-Jun-13 21:00:38

Bet we did have surnames. It sorted out who was who.

Usually based on 'son of....' or father's occupation.

kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 21:03:25

Something tells me it was son / daughter of the father, not the mother.

HollyBerryBush Thu 13-Jun-13 21:04:25

I bet in the old days, we didn't have surnames.

No, true you had trade or village names... John (the) Smith or John (of) Little Dean. So with so much demographic movement how would you establish family links. Most people do like family or regional links. I understand for some people who move regions, change trades, maybe even gender, I would be difficult to follow John (the) Smith became Jane (the) Smith. It all gets so complicated.

It would solve the hassle of changing surnames, having DCs with different names

or you could just choose to keep within in one family unit

GibberTheMonkey Thu 13-Jun-13 21:04:47

Mainly it was occupations of son of
Bob goldsmith
Fred fletcher
Harry Harrison
Evan ap Evan

GibberTheMonkey Thu 13-Jun-13 21:05:33

*or
But I xposted as I typed so slowly so
it doesn't matter anyway

GrimmaTheNome Thu 13-Jun-13 21:05:45

They were invented because they were useful, I guess. As soon as you'v e got more than one Guy in the village you need them. Many are occupational - like the Welsh Dai Bread. Not sure that would work well nowadays with few jobs for life and some of todays job titles!

Or they were patronyms (John Johnson) or - indeed - from place names (Guy of Guisborne).

scaevola Thu 13-Jun-13 21:07:15

We could just chip everyone at birth and use chip reference number instead?

kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 21:07:54

It's probably going that way.

maddening Thu 13-Jun-13 21:08:25

That's how surnames started anyway - from either places or characteristics, jobs and whose child you were.

Seems silly to redo a whole system that isn't broken.

GibberTheMonkey Thu 13-Jun-13 21:08:48

I am not a number, I am a free (wo)man

HollyBerryBush Thu 13-Jun-13 21:15:50

The utter lack of sense of history and belonging astounds me on MN sometimes. Here we are in the western world with unfettered access to education and the ability to research, I do shake my head at what I think are very basic factors of history.

kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 21:17:38

holly It was kind of a piss take thread in relation to other surname threads.

I was just thinking out loud and didn't give much thought to the derivation of surnames. I have no idea where my surname originates from.

GibberTheMonkey Thu 13-Jun-13 21:18:10

Really Holly? One person on a whole thread...

kim147 Thu 13-Jun-13 21:22:51

And it is actually interesting to wonder who decided there should be a "surname".

As in when did it first start? How long ago?

Like I said, just thinking out loud. If that's ok with you.

passmetheprozac Thu 13-Jun-13 21:23:36

YABU I love being unique and as far I am aware I am the only person in the UK with my name grin

sarahtigh Thu 13-Jun-13 21:26:19

most surnames were just to distinguish between john the blacksmith and john the millar and john who is william's son and john who moved from dudley and john with the very big beard

loads of surnames imply son O', mac, son, ben, Mc, bar, etc

hence john smith, john millar, john williamson , john dudley and john beardsmore,

my fathers name is job related, my grandfather & grandmothers are places, my other grandmother is job related DH has a Mac.... name

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