Eurovision 2013 - OK here we go again

[ftm42]

Removing all the supposedly 'homophobic' comments made earlier - I certainly am not homophobic, but that can remain for another context, though I believe I did say that my gay friends find these acts offensive to them as gays -

The whole point was to raise the issue of the obscenity of some Eurovision acts and why we are all OK about naked men writhing about in front of a man wearing a crucifix! This was always meant to be a family show and I cannot bring myself to let my children see this.

We are becoming an over-sexualised society and I think that's awful and especially insulting to Christians when combined with crucifix-wearing - yes, surprise! - I am a Christian! [Now I can watch as mumsnet turns this thread into an anti-Christian one and censors me for being completely intolerant of anything!]

Am I really the only one? I don't believe I am!

[ThingummyBob]

My TV has an off switch

It helps me to never be offended by anything showing on TV.

Hth.

[PinkFluffyJumper]

What about naked women writhing around on stage.

Strangely, not many people seem to have a problem with that.

[head-desk]

[ftm42]

ThingummyBob - exactly why I left the room to sit in on my 10 year old's music lesson.

[Lj8893]

Oh just go away!!!

[ftm42]

Actually PFJ - I would if it was on a family TV show, though I'm sure my DH wouldn't object if he was at a club. QED

[gordyslovesheep]

Turn it off then

[ftm42]

Euphemia

Don't know why that's funny - not all gays are 'out and proud' - some are happy quietly being just as they are. Hard to accept, I know.

[bigfuckoffpie]

You're offended by Eurovision, but fine with your DH going to clubs with naked women?

[cory]

The (Dracula-inspired) imagery was very similar to what you might have seen if you had gone to the opera to see a performance of any piece featuring Orpheus or similar topics. In fact, the whole of his number was very operatic in its general styling.

Ballet shows often also include similar numbers.

I took my children to see a play by Marlowe at the Elizabethan Rose Theatre. It featured the god Jupiter and his side-kick Ganymede. Who got up to a good deal more than the Eurovision singers.

I noticed on the other thread that you were also offended by the singer's technique: other posters pointed out that the countertenor is a traditional element in Christian church music.

Basically, to those of us who are used to more traditional Christian culture it didn't seem that shocking. Sorry if that doesn't help you.

[Loulybelle]

Pfffft, as if you have gay friends, "Straight is ideal" indeed.

Need a bullshit icon.

[honeytea]

You are right it is wrong to expose children to the symbols of organised religion.

Men in boxers, well I hope you don't take your children swimming, they may see men wearing less than the dancers on Eurovision.

When was it ever a children's show? It starts at 8pm and doesn't finish until midnight.

[polkadotsrock]

OP you're quite clearly just trying to be controversial and start a fight. I hope no one arses themselves.

[ThingummyBob]

I should have clarified OP.

I LOVE Eurovision and I'm not remotely offended at anything Eurovision-y, apart from some of the truly awful singing of course

Just making a general point about TVs having off switches, you know, for those of an easily offended nature.

[ftm42]

OK - I give up. mumsnet is obviously full of people who are in the 'if you can't accept society as it is, then p off' vocal and [actually offensive to me as a Christian who would rather we were more restrained than prepared to accept that anything goes, but hey - that's OK] minority. Trouble is, some of us just don't like or accept that society is progressing in the right direction, but we aren't allowed to say so.

I'll shut up now.

[5318008]

But the naked men weren't naked ya donut

[Lj8893]

Good idea OP

[Loulybelle]

A society wont ever progress in the right direction, when certain sections are trying to suppress another section.

[ChangeyMcName]

have you considered that the singer may have strong beliefs and was proudly wearing his cross during performance to honour god? just like others who wear crucifixes (crucifi?) to work?

And the dancers were performing very technical ballet/contemporary choreography. Dancers often wear less/tight clothing to show the line & movement of the body. If you saw something sexual in this maybe you should question why this is the place your mind went to? Don't be ashamed if you were a bit turned on OP, they were all strapping lads, perfectly natural!

[LadyBeagleEyes]

Thread about your own thread that was deleted Op.
This'll be gone soon thank fuck.

[InkleWinkle]

Wow! You're worried about your children's wellbeing yet their father goes to clubs where there are half naked women??

[gordyslovesheep]

Not sure where you aren't allowed to say so ...you seem to have managed to say so quiet well

You can't accept that you arevin the minority...get over it

[specialsubject]

don't you think that the body is created by your god?

in which case how can it be offensive?

[Lj8893]

have you considered that the singer may have strong beliefs and was proudly wearing his cross during performance to honour god? just like others who wear crucifixes (crucifi?) to work?

And the dancers were performing very technical ballet/contemporary choreography. Dancers often wear less/tight clothing to show the line & movement of the body. If you saw something sexual in this maybe you should question why this is the place your mind went to? Don't be ashamed if you were a bit turned on OP, they were all strapping lads, perfectly natural!

*^^ this

I didn't see anything sexual in that performance, just a good performance from a talented singer and talented dancers.

[sweetestcup]

I take it previous thread got deleted then, did OP ever explain why they thought straight was the ideal?