to be sickened by the level of violence and gore in horror films these days?

(293 Posts)
dontmeanto Mon 13-May-13 16:41:08

...and the sheer volume of them??

DP and I went to hire a film Saturday night as a treat and couldn't believe just how many of these films were on the New Arrivals shelves.

Various plots on abduction, torture, force, maiming, etc.

I guess I just don't get why people are entertained by these films? I find them disturbing at best and absolutely disgusting at worst.

I just don't want those types of things in my head, and I worry there's a generation out there that will in some way become desensitised to this level of violence by making these films "cool" to watch with friends.

I remember being shocked by Scream when I was a teen, but these now are a billion times worse!

AIBU?

dontmeanto Mon 13-May-13 21:15:13

one's MOUTH.

PimpMyHippo Mon 13-May-13 21:19:42

claig

I don't think it is about money. I think it is a deliberate attempt to desensitise people and brutalise them by exposing them to ever more gore and violence.

What motive would film makers have for wanting to desensitise people to violence? I don't see what the people thinking up horror films would gain from that. If people become blasé towards horror, wouldn't that be a bad thing for people who make their living from horror films?

OrangeFireandGoldashes Mon 13-May-13 21:26:26

I think from a film maker's perspective it's probably more about pushing the boundaries. How far can we push X character? Do we have the technology to portray Y? Can we get Z past the classification boards?

I would say YABU as I love a gory cheesy horror movie but... I have seen "A Serbian Film", I honestly didn't think it would be as bad as people made it out but I just didn't look it up enough before I watched it.

That has made me realise that we have come to a point where film makers can get away with pretty much anything, I'm pretty numbed when it comes to horror movies, even some of the ones banned in this country don't actually really bother me but that movie made me throw up, cry and I will seriously never get over seeing it.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:33:20

Pimp, it's not about money. They could make more monet by making films that appeal to everyone from 8 to 80.

Filmmakers are encouraged to make these films by studios just like gangster rappers are encouraged by record companies. The men in suits who finance this crap and are directed to by their bosses have an agenda to densitise and brutalise us. It is about their vision of society and politics.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:37:04

They won't make films with certain messages, but they are given free rein to show disturrbing violence and to portray evil.

Claig Have you been on ATS by any chance?

I'm pretty sure with this it is just a case of appealing to an audience that there is a market for.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:39:08

No I don't need to go to abovetopsecret to understand what is behind it.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:42:26

'just a case of appealing to an audience that there is a market for'

They create the market, they determine the parameters, they decide what message to show and what they want to sell, and teh public consumes what they hype and market and distribute. They lead and the public follows along the path they want people's minds to go.

I was joking hmm.

It gets to a point where believing the government is conspiring against everyone, false flags and de-sensitisation where it goes too far.

There is a market for gore/horror movies so the film makers will go with it.

Claig As has already been said, people have been entertaining using violence and gore for thousands of years, this isn't a new thing and film makers haven't created a market for some finding horror/violence entertaining.

It's a car crash scenario and all to do with enjoying the adrenaline rush that comes from being scared or shocked.

PimpMyHippo Mon 13-May-13 21:44:50

What vision? Of a society where everyone is brutal and violent? What would these mysterious suited men stand to gain from that, apart from shits and giggles? Realistically, I think most things boil down to financial gain - and people will spend money on gory films because they want to prove to themselves/others that they can stomach it, or because of a morbid fascination with the darkest things humans can come up with - I very much doubt the studio bosses care why people enjoy these films, as long as they're parting with their cash to do so.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:44:53

They fine footballers for swearing on TV because they want them to act as role models and they allow all manner of violent crap and evil to be shown and they even promote it.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:46:37

'people have been entertaining using violence and gore for thousands of years'

Not like the stuff they show now over the past 40 years. Never before in human history has this amount of evil crap been broadcast or shown to people.

PimpMyHippo Mon 13-May-13 21:48:11

Who's this mysterious "they"? The people fining footballers aren't the same ones making the Saw films, I would imagine.

Do you actually believe that? The difference is nowadays we wouldn't actually line up to watch someone being stoned to death, hung or have their head chopped off or burnt alive etc.

It's all fake and acted which means although we watch it and imagine it is real, we don't for the most part actually do it!

digerd Mon 13-May-13 21:49:14

The 1971 film "The Devils", with Vanessa Redgrave and Oliver Reed, by Ken Russell, was violent, sick, depraved and horrendous. Leaving many women in the audience vomitting at the end. Wish I'd never gone to see it.
Can't remember if it was classed as a horror film. There was no blood, but we all know that is fake, anyway. A touch of pornography too.

The acting was superb by the 2 stars btw.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:51:07

'Of a society where everyone is brutal and violent? What would these mysterious suited men stand to gain from that, apart from shits and giggles?'

This is a deliberate breaking of boundaries, morals and ethics; a destruction of civilised society in order to brutalise people to desensitise them and in order to get them to accept a future society of brutalisation and evil.

The men in suits are not stupid, they aren't doing it for money, they are selling a message

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever." - George Orwell, 1984

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:53:29

'The people fining footballers aren't the same ones making the Saw films, I would imagine.'

70 years ago, they would have banned films like Saw, they would probably have prosecuted studios that tried to release it. Now they wave it by. Why?

Did you miss my post or something?

This isn't new, we've been killing people and watching it to enjoy for thousands of years, if anything we're not as bad in this day and age because we don't actually do it.

So who are "they"?

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:57:43

They glamourise drus, they glamourise violence and they glamourise evil and it affects people that are exposed to the evil.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296887/Killer-Matthew-Tinling-copied-Saw-horror-film-slicing-victims-spinal-cord-make-reveal-PIN.html

They alter people's sensibilitiies and their morals and their boundaries.

claig Mon 13-May-13 21:57:57

drugs

Who the fuck are "they"!?

UrbaneLandlord Mon 13-May-13 22:00:18

LOL.

Another Mumsnet Moral Panic thread.

Anyone else remember the 'Video Nasty' Moral Panic from the 80s?

Lead to all kinds of rules & regulation and the banning of some (now infamous) videos.

One of the greatest things about the internet is that it has ended state-censorship. We can all decide for ourselves what images & movies we view without the government to 'help us'.

In the 80s, all sorts of dire predictions were made about what would happen if videos like 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "Driller Killer" were allowed to proliferate amongst the public. So the videos were "banned' and the 'nation was saved'.

Come the 00s, come the internet. Free access to unrestricted video violence no matter how 'depraved'. Many of them much darker and more violent than the semi-spoof 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre'.

Will someone please tell me what harm has resulted from this? I haven't noted any increase in the number of people running up & down the street wielding chainsaws; nor in any other kind of violence whatsoever. If anything, levels have come down.

Thus we can conclude: there is no causal relationship between on-screen violence and real-life violence.

It's just that some people aren't happy unless they've got something to worry about. It's easier to blame the imaginary demons in the outside world than face up to the real demons inside your own head.

claig Mon 13-May-13 22:01:34

'This isn't new'

This is new. The level of graphic detail and gore that people are now exposed to is beyond anything that was ever shown or written about before in human history. they have opened Pandora's Box and thrown away the key. They have let the genie out of the bottle and let it reap its havoc on the minds of the people who are exposed to it.

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