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To think that no child should be allowed to ruin the learning of 29 children

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ReallyTired Wed 08-May-13 09:35:05

My son's year 6 class has been constantly distruped by one or two children. It is unfair that 28 children cannot learn because of the behaviour of one or two.

I feel it really doesn't matter what the reason is for a child who constantly misbehaves (before someone gets out the flame thrower/ violin) the other children have a right to learn in a calm ordered environment. Often badly children do not have learning difficulties or difficult family circumstances.

Or put it another way some children with special needs or a difficult home life have explematory behaviour.

It is not fair that many hard working children have to put up with child X making stupid noises (NOT TOURETTES or any other special need) or constantly shouting out or arguing with the teacher because their parents can't afford private school.

It would be interesting to know what other countries do with children who constantly distrupt the class. (Other than using the cane.)

I believe that Britain's in ablity to deal with low level disruption in the classroom has reduced social mobility.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:37:51

YANBU..the school should look after every pupil.

YABU with the nasty flamethrower/violin comment.

O Lord what is with all the goadish twatwankerry in here at the moment.

AtYourCervix Wed 08-May-13 09:41:28

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LIZS Wed 08-May-13 09:42:55

yanbu but I think there is one in almost every Year5/6 class. Not sure about your last comment - dd experienced this in a private school. Other countries wheedle out disruptive/SEN pupils early and put them in a different class/system . Unfortunately this also often means low expectations and attainment.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 08-May-13 09:45:25

I would change that to no lack of proper support, supervision and control in the classroom should be allowed to disrupt the learning of 29 children.

The issue here is management. If a child is not being managed properly - who is at fault? The child for running riot or the adult for not ensuring that action is taken?

I certainly agree with you that behaviour should be managed effectively and if it is not, then all the children are being let down.

newfavouritething Wed 08-May-13 09:46:24

YABU - my ds had a wonderful afternoon playing in the playground instead of being schooled while the teacher and two TAs tried to persuade the disruptive child down from a tree. Of course the one problem child should have all of the attention, bugger the rest of them!

JeanPaget Wed 08-May-13 09:46:37

"flamethrower/violin" hmm

Maybe putting up with low level disruption will allow your son to learn some tolerance and compassion.

YANBU, but the school needs a robust and adaptable Behaviour Policy in place. Start with the Headteacher and escalate to Governing Body if it hasn't.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:46:38

Yes....what Hecs said..that is important thing. .not blaming parenting or backgrounds or any other random stuff

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:47:39

Can I save everyone the bother and just write this thread as they always go same way grin

Could you implement a Traffic Light System, Fanjo?

Everyone knows their boundaries and responsibilities then.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:50:31

Yes..but it's stuck on red..I wish grin

Minifingers Wed 08-May-13 09:53:18

My ds has ASD. He can be quite disruptive.

He should have one to one support but doesn't get it. For this reason he's likely to leave school without having reached a level in literacy and numeracy which will enable him to function adequately at secondary.

So YANBU, all children should have proper support in school.

However, sometimes even with this support their behaviour will be disruptive to the class. Do you think all children whose behaviour regularly disrupts the learning of the class should be educated separately? Would you be willing to pay towards a massive rise in taxation in order to fund this provision?

Piemother Wed 08-May-13 09:53:24

Yanbu. Your op will be twisted in to snobbery but it isn't hmm

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:53:39

People who want to discuss the school's behaviour management over here..<points>

Those who want to say "there is a kid like that at my child's school and they don't have SN just shitty parents and its not fair".over there <points>

Those who want to say "everyone blames SN and there's just no discipline these days kids are little brats"..out of door <boot>

Done grin

Bit of Restorative Discussion then?

Anyone who makes crass and sweeping statements has to draw a picture to communicate how a) they feel b) how they think that makes everyone else feel.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:54:31

No it won't be twisted.

Thats up there with the flamethrower/violin comment.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:55:14

Theres a sin bin for those who want to make nippy comments like "I will be flamed here but.. <insert comment now>"

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:55:56

Finally..I will get it out of the way..

Who do I think I am and why do I bring SN into everything <flames self>

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:56:18

That's the thread done for me grin

Tailtwister Wed 08-May-13 09:56:24

YANBU OP. One pupil's behaviour should not be allowed to disrupt the learning of the entire class. The teacher is there to teach, not be continually engaged in the discipline of one or two pupils at the expense of the rest. I presume the school has a policy to deal with disruptive behaviour? I would be contacting the Head teacher to see what's being put in place to deal with this. Every single child has a right to an education that is true, but not at the detriment of everyone else.

Oh dear lord.

Second time in two days I'm speechless. And that NEVER happens.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 08-May-13 09:57:06

Beertricks..you sound more sensible ..as always smile

WilsonFrickett Wed 08-May-13 09:58:42

How do you know the child doesn't have SN?
How do you know the child doesn't have fully-funded 1:1 support which the school withholds from him and uses to do other things?
How do you know the child isn't dealing with terrible family circumstances, like a bereavement?
How do you know the child's parents can't afford private school? (And you do know that private schools don't tend to manage bad behaviour - or indeed SNs - they simply kick the kids out)
How do you know this is down to the child and not awful teaching? Poor behaviour management? Bullying? Goading? Scapegoating?

I would suggest you don't know. Actually.

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