To feel disgusted that Elle magazine are touting porn star Sasha Grey as a "feminist" ?

(428 Posts)
Scarletohello Tue 07-May-13 17:46:42

So I have seen a lot of porn and Sasha Grey is a very popular porn star. Mainly because she does very extreme stuff, for example the kind of scenes where she is gagged with a man's cock to the extent that she us virtually vomiting. And she acts like she is loving it. One of the quotes in the magazine article from one of her films is, " Rip my fucking holes open". It's the most brutal, mistogynistic, woman hating porn you can possibly experience. And she is talking about it as being liberating and empowering for women. I'm no prude but her stuff sickens me. And now she's written an erotic novel and has an interview in Elle magazine where the cover line is, " writer, actress, feminist,porn star".
Makes me absolutely despair of where we as women have come to if she is being described as a "feminist". She is absolutely everything anti feminist to me. Any thoughts? Also if you have never seen her stuff, prepare to be appauled...

cocolepew Tue 07-May-13 18:21:40

YANBU.
I read that article after buying Elle for the freebie. The whole magazine is shite.

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 18:22:31

Yeah, but it is normal. Who are you to say it's not normal?

What's wrong with two consenting adults having aggressive sex?

Katiekitty - that's just semantics.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Tue 07-May-13 18:22:56

Just googled Sasha grey elle magazine to see what it was about and this thread is the first response smile

Yeah, "rip my fucking holes open" is something all teenage girls should say- very empowering for us all.
The current porn industry is about men and money, anyone who thinks its doing good for women needs their head exam

Ined!

AnyFucker Tue 07-May-13 18:27:57

I wonder if Elle magazine is facing cancellation some time soon ?

I find that organisations close to the end use this shock attracting stuff in the throes of death

Katiekitty Tue 07-May-13 18:32:03

That's what I reckon Anyfucker.

Taking the porn ££££ before they fold.

Got to pay those shareholders somehow.

Shame on you Elle Magazine.

Darkesteyes Tue 07-May-13 18:33:10

euphemism i totally agree. But it isnt the men or the male porn stars who get slut shamed. Its the women.

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 18:34:24

How dirty are us girls allowed to talk then? What are the rules here? Can I say something filthy as long as I'm not disrespecting myself?

Because I gotta say, that sounds even more fucked up than a heavy handed wank.

It just annoys me. I know so many, many girls who LIKE this stuff. Genuinely. They like it. It isn't just for impressionable young squires who happened to google themselves sick. People do and will continue to like this regardless of the internet. The internet is reflecting a certain preexisting taste.

If you don't like it, don't watch it and don't do it. But don't make assumptions about the kind of people who do.

catgirl1976 Tue 07-May-13 18:35:11

YY

She's not in the privacy of her own home having sex for pleasure

Shes on film being viewed by 1,000s of people having sex for money

There is a difference

Darkesteyes Tue 07-May-13 18:35:55

More! magazine got cancelled just two weeks ago. So thats probably made shareholders etc a bit jittery.
Its probably the same reason for Easy Livings "Passion" section.

ClartyCarol Tue 07-May-13 18:36:26

OP - do you have any opinion on more 'mainstream' porn actresses then? Don't you feel that the majority of porn is exploitative and has an adverse affect on how men view women, not just the films involving this particular person?

hopipolla Tue 07-May-13 18:36:42

YABVU its there magazine and can publish what they like within the law. If you don't like it don't buy it, its none of your business really.

FasterStronger Tue 07-May-13 18:37:14

what catgirl says.

binks - what makes you think SG is enjoying it?

MechanicalTheatre Tue 07-May-13 18:39:00

OP, you enjoy porn. Therefore you're not a feminist.

Hope that clears it up for you.

You are not the feminist police.

Katiekitty Tue 07-May-13 18:40:42

Go on then Binks and Binks's friends.

Earn yourselves some ££££££

What are you waiting for?
Why be MNtting when you could be raking it some hefty wedge. And money too. In your holes. All of them. Think of all the money all your holes can get you!

Go on!

Empower yourselves Binks and the 'so many, many girls' you know.

LouiseSmith Tue 07-May-13 18:43:02

I personally think "why the hell not" she is being paid for something most women give for free. Who cares. It isn't harming anyone. Its all between consenting adults, and only over 18s can view porn (and to anyone saying children can access it, yes they can. But isn't that up to us as parents to stop, blocking websites, and keeping computers in family rooms.)

Feminist may be a bit far, but the reason people dislike it, is because she is a women, and women shouldn't do that. It goes back to the double standard for sexes.

I personally couldn't give a rats arse how someone makes there money.

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 18:43:41

I don't know whether she is or she isn't. None of us do. But she isn't responsible for toning it down just because it isn't to your taste. If she wants to bang herself with rolling pins live on stage, she still shouldn't have the weight of the world on her shoulders. It still shouldn't matter about who she is as a person.

Elle have recently revamped, which I think is a result of a drop in circulation although that's hardly anything new for magazines nowadays.

Sasha Grey was not the cover star or main feature. Miley Cyrus was.

I think there is a feminist element to Sasha Grey and her story, I liked her in past interviews and she starred in Entourage sort of as herself and portrayed what I felt were actually some good points in a rather misogynistic tv show.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 07-May-13 18:44:55

Can we clear something up? Does she describe herself as a feminist? If so YABU, if not YANBU.

Also not clear why you can watch a lot of porn but then get judgy about the people who appear in it? Do YOU describe yourself as a feminist?

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 18:46:29

That's real sweet of you to give me career advice Katiekitty, but I don't give a shit about empowering other women. Why should I? Men don't have this concern. I don't want it either.

Now who's a feminist?

Katiekitty Tue 07-May-13 18:46:58

Wow.

'most women'

'give for free'

Violent sex? as in 'rip my holes'
Really?
Do most women give violent sex?
(ignoring the 'for free' bit here, if you dont mind)

Katiekitty Tue 07-May-13 18:49:37

Binks says: That's real sweet of you to give me career advice Katiekitty, but I don't give a shit about empowering other women. Why should I? Men don't have this concern. I don't want it either.

Now who's a feminist?

I say: hahaha!

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 18:50:22

Not most, but some. Enough. Why does it matter to you?

I don't care how gentle and considerate a lover you are. It would be a bit off for me to prescribe the rhythm of your sexual antics to suit me, would it not?

Oh and what has annoyed me about your thread/some of the response are that she is being criticised for doing things for her own benefit rather than the benefit of women as a whole (unfortunate pun there). Men never get criticised for doing things for themselves rather than men as a gender group.

I believe She hasn't defined herself as a feminist, that's the magazine, which I think we should all be clear is the issue.

Also a feminist is simply someone who supports feminism, that's it, not someone who advocates for or acts on behalf of, just someone who supports it, if she says she does, she is by definition a feminist.

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