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To be staggered to find that (real) guns are made specifically for young children to use, and that parents buy their (under 7's) real guns?

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Lilka Thu 02-May-13 15:16:23

I saw this awful story on the news today here a 5 year old boy shot his 2 year old sister dead sad

But I was more stunned and in complete disbelief to read that the gun was the 5 year olds own gun, bought as present for him, and more specifically a rifle designed to be a young childs first gun

The gun manufacturers have a photo board on their website showing pictures of children using their guns here you can also see the pictures in the article above . Little girls no older than 5/6 posing in their lounges with what looks like a toy gun - pink and girly. Except it isn't a toy. It's fucking real. It's fucking designed for that child to use, in all it's Barbie pink glory.

What the fuck?! Seriously [socked] angry

AIBU to be seriously shocked by this. And AIBU to be shocked that any parent could think it a good idea to buy their toddler/preschooler/young child a real gun of their own? How many brain cells short are you?

RIP Caroline Starks. Your grandmother stated to the press that it must have been your time to die. But it wasn't. You wouldn't have died if your brother hadn't had a gun. As a grandmother that made me cry sad

ryanboy Thu 02-May-13 20:13:23

I used to shoot rabbits at not much older than that (farmer's daughter) Guns were always locked up and I only used them under supervision.I don't see a problem with that to be honest and would have loved a light gun like that

redwallday Thu 02-May-13 22:58:15

Unfucking believeable!!!

Maggie111 Thu 02-May-13 23:08:29

Absolutely crazy - the mind boggles what any parents who buy them are thinking.

Alright, I can almost understand 10 years old or something, for a propre hobby like clay pigeon shooting... But five?? .. Absolutely unbelievable... (and if he's had it for a year he would have been 4 when he got it!)

ChocsAwayInMyGob Thu 02-May-13 23:10:14

Yet they have banned Kinder Eggs in the USA because they are dangerous to children. You couldn't make it up.

tigerdriverII Mexico Thu 02-May-13 23:15:49

Horrendous and yes, poor boy, he will have to deal with this all his life.

Nothing wrong with a child learning about guns in an appropriate way. Everything wrong with giving a five year old - a FIVE year old - a fucking rifle. angry sad

BegoniaBampot Thu 02-May-13 23:17:50

I don't understand it or want to live like that but for many that is the culture there. The flipside is that if i or many of you lived there, we might have done the same thing.

piratedinosaursgogogo Thu 02-May-13 23:21:44

I live in New York and have been discussing this story today with my American friends. They are all as horrified as I have been. I'm absolutely astounded at the abdication of responsibilty that the family members have shown, the Grandmother saying "It was God's will, it was her time to go" and her uncle "This is something you can't prepare for". Since we moved here, I've spent a lot of time reading about and discussing gun control issues and I understand that there are communities were hunting is part and parcel of their life. But I has assumed that these people would have basic common sense.

A 3 year old boy died yesterday after shooting himself with his Grandmother's gun in Arizona. This is in the same week that the Governor in Arizona stopped measures to ensure weapons found within the community are destroyed if found. Instead of being melted down, the guns must be sold within the community.

My friend said earlier that you can't fix stupidity. It's a frightening prospect.

Morloth Thu 02-May-13 23:47:57

Some people are very very stupid and sometimes those people have kids.

I grew up with guns, even used them as a child. This sort of accident was not possible because my parents are not fucking stupid.

Bloody hell.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Thu 02-May-13 23:49:30

Begonia

that was my earlier point. It's an alien culture

BegoniaBampot Fri 03-May-13 00:09:14

I just find it fascinating. we are all products of our upbringing. Often it's all down to luck and our enviroment as to what we believe and how we judge things.

garlicyoni Fri 03-May-13 00:51:42

I dunno, Begonia. Is there anything Brits routinely do, which routinely kills our children, that provincial Americans would consider weird? (I'm not talking about Kinder eggs!)

garlicyoni Fri 03-May-13 00:54:34

"would consider reckless", I should have said.

Iteotwawki Fri 03-May-13 06:15:19

There's nothing wrong with teaching children how to shoot. 5 is probably my lowest limit though.

There's everything wrong with not teaching children firearm safety - my 7 year old can tell me the 7 basic laws of firearms and understands the reasoning behind them.

A child should never have access to firearms unless appropriately supervised. When not in use, they should be stored safely (unloaded, locked out of sight / out of reach).

My sons are growing up with guns around, there is a huge hunting & fishing culture here. I'll probably get them a single shot .22 of their own to share. However, as we are also "not fucking stupid" (I hope) they will use it appropriately and safely.

Jinty64 Fri 03-May-13 06:42:04

What Iteotwawki says. Our 15 year old (ds2) has his own gun and has had for 3 years. It is only used with close supervision according to the fire arms laws of this country. Ds3 (almost 7) will start going out with his Dad once I consider him sensible enough - in the next year or so.

I think it is better that they are taught basic gun safety from an early age and to use weapons under supervision than to decide to get one once they are old enough to be unsupervised and possibly not old enough to be sensible.

Only dh has unsupervised access to any of the guns we have in the house.

HollyBerryBush Fri 03-May-13 06:55:42

I come from a community where children that age would be fully capable of using guns. Difference is, they know they are working tools, are aware of safety and they are locked up.

Americans >sweeping generalisation< are just so gun-ho

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