to not understand how anybody could like or respect Tony Blair?

(59 Posts)
ophelia275 Mon 29-Apr-13 10:22:15

The more I read about him and his "accomplishments", the more I think he is a disgusting, immoral, self-serving, greedy little man. How can anyone possibly like or even respect this guy?

ChocolateCakePlease Mon 29-Apr-13 16:32:43

I agree niceguy, he did just that - maxed out credit card then pissed off.

He destroyed higher education by making a degree, which was once something worth a lot, into something meaningless. Millions of pounds have been wasted on people doing micky mouse courses with no real job prospects afterwards.

One time of day you could start at the bottom and work your way up. Now you need degree just to get in the door. A degree you didn't need before but now will cost you thousands in fees, fees that wouldn't have had to be introduced had blair not had every man and his dog go to university which is what made uni too expensive for the government to keep subsidising.

In other words:

Before you could start at the bottom and work your way up.

More people went to university with more and more gaining degrees in things that don't need a degree (because you could have at one time learned on the job) and also more and more degrees in wheel barrows were introduced.

The government looked good because more people were in higher education. Employers started making it so you needed a degree to get an interview.

Many others left uni and went into jobs they could have just got straight out of school.

Tories took over and realised the amount being spent on higher education was not affordable and introduced high fees.

Now as companies now require a degree people are forced to either get in debt in the tune of thousands or take a low paid job.

I do not agree with the high fees but something had to be done to curb the amount of people gaining useless degrees in wheel barrows.

As a consequence as well, everyone thinks they need a title for their job. A cleaner aint a cleaner, they are a dyson technician or some such bollocks.

Cailinsalach I agree with every word.

Tony Blair was a great PM and a great politician

slhilly Mon 29-Apr-13 16:49:48

ChocolateCake, I'm pretty sure that the rise in the percentage of the UK population holding a degree started before 1997. It was prompted by a shift in mix of jobs in the labour market, so that relatively fewer jobs do not require a degree. Jobs that used not to require a degree, like nursing, have become increasingly challenging and technical, because of medical advances. That brings its own problems, but the alternative is to not bother with ICUs, dopplering, new chemotherapy regimens, because we certainly can't afford to pay for doctors to provide these things, and it requires a degree to do.

Orwellian Mon 29-Apr-13 16:56:27

Under Tony Blair's Premiership we had;

- Took the UK into an illegal war in which hundreds of thousands died and he lied
- Mysterious death of Scientist David Kelly against said war.
- Huge increase in the cost of housing and the rise of BTL which has effectively priced out several generations of young people (of course not Blair's kids, they were bought huge homes by their millionaire daddy).
- PFI for hospitals/NHS which will burden future generations.
- Gave away the UK's EU rebate with nothing to show for it.
- His expenses were mysteriously shredded during the expenses scandal.
- Made the UK reliant on the City and Finance so that banks could not fail. Let the North rot.
- Oversaw mass immigration.
- Built few new homes and didn't reverse right to buy.
- Council tax more than doubled under his watch.
- Reneged on his pledge not to introduce tuition fees for University students once elected.
- Oversaw a huge rise in the welfare bill.

These are just a few things I can think of.

I remember how the UK was before Tony Blair came to power and it was a much nicer place to be. In my experience everything has got a lot worse and we are paying a lot more money for a lot less and there is a lot more apathy and society has got a lot less caring. I don't think the Tories of today are any better and I think that Cameron is trying to emulate Blair (all style and no substance).

Oblomov Mon 29-Apr-13 16:58:25

I was hoping for great things.
Later, when it came out about Iraq, his sham of expenses, that disappeared,etc. He was shown to be a fraud. He conned us. I don't know why we're suprised.
He now holds positions in Europe, doing this and that, speaking on this, being on the board of that, and is earning millions.
He makes my stomach churn. I feel ill when I see him.

ChocolateCakePlease Mon 29-Apr-13 17:00:21

I was refering more to the worthless degrees such as a friend who gained one in "the phycology of drama," left uni and went into a job she could have done when she left school and now has 2 kids. So her life ended up the same as mine yet I do not have a uni debt nor has the government paid for me to do a degree I will never use. It is unlikely she will earn enough to pay back her debt either. Money well spent or not? This is a common story for a generation of people.

ChocolateCakePlease Mon 29-Apr-13 17:05:46

Yes and mass immigration! I suspect wages haven't gone up because millions of immigrants were willing to do the job for less money so employers never had to increase wages because there were people were willing to work for peanuts. Even those peanuts here are better than their standard of living back home.

lljkk Mon 29-Apr-13 17:07:22

I like TB. Not perfect, but alright. Best of a mediocre bunch. He'd win again if put in charge of labour party.

JuliaScurr Mon 29-Apr-13 17:49:59

Unreasonable to blame G Brown for crash and not mention US banks

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