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To think they could find at least ONE inspirational woman to put on our bank notes?

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MiniPenguinMaker Sat 27-Apr-13 17:37:42

I have to admit that I felt a bit miffed when I saw that Elizabeth Fry was being phased out and replaced by Winston Churchill from 2016.

There will be NO women left on British currency. Surely they could find a few? Emmeline Pankhurst perhaps?!

It gives the impression that the achievements of British women are not considered worthy of recognition. I have been getting really grumpy about this. I wonder who makes these decisions and whether this has even occurred to them. Am I being unreasonable to feel peeved that us women make up a significant proportion of the population and yet when we pay for things with our hard-earned cash it is a bunch of dead white men on there?

olivertheoctopus Mon 29-Apr-13 22:59:58

Clearly they need to put Mary Berry on a banknote...wink

edam Mon 29-Apr-13 22:54:13

Thank you for sharing the story of Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin, PerfectStorm. I didn't know about her. An astounding discovery - as you say, on a par with Newton and Einstein, and yet she's been written out of history. Shameful.

KittenofDoom Mon 29-Apr-13 22:43:20

Looking at it another way, if they just swapped a woman for another woman, they would always be on the lowest denomination note. I think Florence was on the tenner, so maybe a woman will get to be on the £20 note next time that's due for a change.

perfectstorm Mon 29-Apr-13 22:24:20

Obviously they wouldn't put it simply to public vote, otherwise we'd end up with David Beckham on the back of one of the notes!

As opposed to a shortlist of 20, suggested by the public and deemed appropriate, you mean?

My understanding is, the Bank of England asked the public who they would most like to see on one of our bank notes, and Winston Churchill came top by a zillion miles.

How did they "ask the public"? And did you really expect him to say he chose the person he most liked the idea of on national radio? Sorry but that makes no sense: they didn't ask, they accepted some suggestions and he selected the one he liked. It's a perk of the job, in fairness. But it's perfectly reasonable to think an all-male list is a bit much, albeit in keeping with the senior staff at the BoE and the Treasury. In fairness, I doubt gender ever crossed King's mind. That's a large part of the problem.

SomethingOnce Mon 29-Apr-13 21:21:34

It'd be amazing if an MN campaign resulted in the next change recognising one of the women discussed on this thread (not Katie Price, obv).

FreedomOfTheTess Mon 29-Apr-13 20:58:34

* Obviously they wouldn't put it simply to public vote, otherwise we'd end up with David Beckham on the back of one of the notes!

My point was, if people on here feel that strongly about it, they need to be sending their suggestions to the Bank of England for the NEXT time they change one of the notes.

FreedomOfTheTess Mon 29-Apr-13 20:56:26

perfectstorm - I'm fully aware that the Governor makes the final decision, I'm not stupid.

However, they do gage public opinion, and the Governor is made aware of what that opinion is.

Winston Churchill who was one of the names being considered for the new fiver, and knowing the public strongly supported him being on the back of one of our notes, it made the current Governor's decision a bit essier.

Mervyn King said as much when he was interviewed on the news the other day, as as he's the Governor, I think he knows what he's talking about!

Hafen Mon 29-Apr-13 20:53:49

What about some of the girls off towie, or maybe Jordan

perfectstorm Mon 29-Apr-13 20:51:12

FreedomOfTheTess, that's incorrect. The public can certainly make suggestions, but the Governor of the Bank of England decides. It's not democratic.

Apart from Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin, Louise Meitner was an equal partner in the discovery of nuclear fission, but her partner, Kurt Hahn, seemingluy deliberately, suppressed her role (recently released letters between the two apparently show that she was instructing him on what experiments to run when the rise of Nazism split them to different countries, as the research continued) and succeeded in doing so for decades. Weitner retired a British citizen, and died in Cambridge. Her part is now universally acknowledged in scientific circles and she's been posthumously awarded a prize, as well as had an element in the periodic table named after her. The Berlin Hahn-Weitner Institut is, obviously, called after them both. It's probably worth noting that neither were involved in or supportive of the development of their discovery into nuclear weapons, either.

So yes: the woman who discovered DNA's structure (Rosalind Franklin) the woman who discovered the universe was made up primarily of hydrogen (Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin) or the woman who discovered nuclear fission (Louise Weitner). All British, all made a huge contribution to our world, all appropriately non-tokenistic people. And not one of them is exactly famous. In fact you'll usually be told no woman has ever made much of a contribution to science, with a cursory aside that Marie Curie is the exception that proves the rule.

pigletmania Mon 29-Apr-13 15:54:31

Yanbu at all. There are plenty of inspurational women

absolutmum Mon 29-Apr-13 14:55:27

I find it very sad that they are replacing Elizabeth Fry. She carried out lots of fantastic work and she was one of my ancestors!
My son won't be able to use that as his interesting fact any more.

KittenofDoom Mon 29-Apr-13 13:38:44

They could always bring back Britannia smile

C4ro Mon 29-Apr-13 12:31:40

Ada Lovelace had a rather awesome sort of "princess leia" hairdo that I wager would be as hard as a "scientist beard" to repro...

FreedomOfTheTess Mon 29-Apr-13 12:23:34

My understanding is, the Bank of England asked the public who they would most like to see on one of our bank notes, and Winston Churchill came top by a zillion miles.

While I admit it's disappointing there won't be any women (other than the Queen) on the notes, when the change is made, if Winston Churchill was the popular choice then it's hard to argue against that really isn't it? And it's certainly difficult to argue for Winston Churchill NOT being on one of the banknotes.

The 'faces' on the notes do change every so many years, so the next time they change one of the notes, make sure you vote for your favourite. They do tend to ask the public their opinion each time.

KittenofDoom Mon 29-Apr-13 11:24:27

amazingmumof6 hmm

I never said you couldn't suggest who you want. I said there is no point in suggesting someone who has already had their turn.

At least you learned something. I am pleased to have been of service.

thermalsinapril Mon 29-Apr-13 11:14:10

Julie Andrews

Saltire Mon 29-Apr-13 10:48:28

I am curious that the NI bank notes have the Spanish Armada on oen and the US space shuttle on another. I wonder what the connection is.

Anyway my choice of inspirational women would include

Margaret Beaufort
Odette Sansom GC MBE

perfectstorm Mon 29-Apr-13 10:20:15

The universe is primarily composed of hydrogen. Scientists would generally agree that this discovery is significant enough to be on a par with gravity (Newton) or relativity (Einstein) but I suspect not many know that the first person to realise it was a woman, Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin. A British woman, who died in 1979. I think discovering the very stuff of which our universe is made might perhaps be enough to save her from allegations of being "token" or "undeserving".

Of course, a more intelligent question might be as to why her name is almost completely unknown.

cuillereasoupe Mon 29-Apr-13 07:41:04

Aphra Behn would be cool: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphra_Behn

Otherwise YY to Mary Anning, Mary Somerville, Ada Lovelace, or Rosalind Franklin.

amazingmumof6 Mon 29-Apr-13 01:42:53

"There will be NO women left on British currency. Surely they could find a few? Emmeline Pankhurst perhaps?!" was posted by OP

"surely they could find a few" - so off they went in search of candidates for about 4 pages before I even looked (I think)

maybe it did become more about suggesting different people than what OP felt. but threads evolve, so not sure why that's a problem.

whoever has a problem with what's on the banknotes should just hand them to me.grin

GoblinGranny Mon 29-Apr-13 01:19:55

Ok, but do you understand that the thread has become more about thinking of different inspirational women who could be used on a British banknote?

amazingmumof6 Mon 29-Apr-13 01:00:11

goblingranny whatever is on one thread should be not dragged over to another.

why would you want to find out whatever I have shared previously? what's it to you?

this is not a thread about me and I don't appreciate being "stalked" if I'm not answering your question.
so yes, it feels like a threat.

If I'm irritated that must be the lack of sleep - sick kids keeping me up.

GoblinGranny Mon 29-Apr-13 00:48:41

How am I threatening you? I can only find out what you have chosen to share. How is that intimidating to you?
Anyway, you don't appear to be an American, so I got that wrong. grin
You do seem to misinterpret posts though, I don't see the OP asking for a vote on suggestions, just asking if SIBU to be irritated. And she isn't, but I don't see why you are. Irritated that is.

amazingmumof6 Mon 29-Apr-13 00:42:21

goblin that's nice, now you are threatening me.

HullMum Mon 29-Apr-13 00:39:30

also yy to boudicca, she's a fascinating part of UK history

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