To be depressed at the countrys vile attacks on the death of mrs T

(48 Posts)
landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:11:28

Thats it really, it saddens me that anybody could be so hateful about somebodys death.
So you didn't agree with the polices, at least she wasn't like todays mps, trying to please everybody so they keep their jobs!

Blu Thu 11-Apr-13 00:46:33

'MANY of the pits...'

Sorry for general mess oh phone posting.

Blu Thu 11-Apr-13 00:44:04

Fargo86,any of the pits closed were still highly productive. They were concreted up forever for idealogical reasons, not the economy.

Forward thinking needs to come from the top and bottom. MT could easily have instigated development programmes on advance of pit closures. Having grown up in Nottingham it is my view that the reason the strikes were less successful in the Notts pits because the LA had implemented initiatives designed to encourage and support alternative light industry in the area so there was alternative employment. They did that under a labour gvt and a labour county council.

Look what MT did. The major enterprise zone she established was the LDDC. All local democracy in planning control was suspended. A free for all for the banks. She led de regulation of the banks. She may have dealt with the unions, but she threw us to a hungrier wolf.

"Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment." UN charter of human rights. Yes, we do have the right to a living.

Growlithe Thu 11-Apr-13 00:33:27

Fargo so what you are saying is the labourers working in manufacturing, and the likes of the miners should have planned ahead to gain skills to change direction in their careers as and when necessary.

These are the people that were educated during or very soon after WW2, targeted at that time towards jobs to rebuild the country after war.

These are the people who came from generations of people doing the same job.

They didn't just need to plan to sort it out. They needed a crystal ball. And even if they had it, who would have paid to educate them to get them out of labouring?

BreconBeBuggered Thu 11-Apr-13 00:29:27

Fargo, no, I don't think most people do plan for having the rug pulled out from underneath them, particularly if they weren't well-paid in the first place.

Inertia Thu 11-Apr-13 00:21:46

I'm more depressed about Mrs Thatcher's vile attacks on the country.

Fargo86 Thu 11-Apr-13 00:20:40

Most people do plan for that, Bacon. Nobody expects to start work at 16 and continue in that company to 65 nowadays.

What good does it do to hold on to hate?

doubleshotespresso Thu 11-Apr-13 00:17:42

I'm yet to see vile attacks????

And the comparisons to Blair are ridiculous- he was not at all her opposite, he was just far more practised at exploiting the media. But boy she began that sorry game didn't she? Ill bet the Saatchi family will be sending flowers!

BreconBeBuggered Thu 11-Apr-13 00:14:29

Fargo, equally, if you work for a private company you're at the mercy of the drive to make a profit, and if that means outsourcing your job to workers thousands of miles away, tough shit, you should have planned for that. Is that what you're saying? Doesn't Thatcherism give you a lovely warm glow, eh?
Personally, I'm depressed at a lot of the humbug. Why should people who were in effect collateral damage in the 80s forgive or forget losing their livelihoods and/or communities?
Grow, completely agree about Blair.

WhizzforAtomms Thu 11-Apr-13 00:12:22

The prime minister described his disgust at people who aren’t currently feeling sad.

“I am horrified at the spectacle of the Left – incorporating Wales and Scotland – refusing to mourn the death of someone they hated.

To me she was like a grandmother that I also wanted to go on dates with. If others don’t remember her that way there must be something wrong with them.”

daily mash

Growlithe Thu 11-Apr-13 00:08:50

piglet help us please, what does it say about the person saying them?

pigletmania Thu 11-Apr-13 00:06:08

I agree it's vile immature and sys a lot about the person saying them

Growlithe Wed 10-Apr-13 23:57:04

It is strange that as an opposite to Thatcher, you look to Blair. Blair was in no way opposite to Thatcher. He was a product of Thatcher.

Look backwards for an opposite to Thatcher, in Attlee, the greatest post war PM of the 20th century. Look at his achievements (really - look!) after inheriting post-war Britain.

Fargo86 Wed 10-Apr-13 23:55:54

Nobody has the right to a living. If you rely on the government for your job you are always going to at the mercy of changes in goverment policy. The communities that Thatcher "destroyed" were not forward-thinking communities that planned for the future. They were built around 1 form of industry, and once that industry was no longer needed, the communities colapsed. It is important to remember that the community formed around the industry, not the other way round.

Night!

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:49:09

Well im off to bed now! Thanks y all, its been good!!! xxx

I wasn't suggesting you were a troll, at all.

It's just you're obviously a newbie and, if you want to know, I was wanting to sound you out about what you thought we'd think, because it's always interesting to know what preconceptions people have.

I didn't mean any disrespect.

IntheFrame Wed 10-Apr-13 23:45:53

She changed the face of Britain but was voted in . Anybody dancing on her grave is entitled to their opinion but as a she was voted in NOT at her state funeral.

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:45:44

Maybe i should have put this on chat, but I was genuinely interested (not a troll just in case you are wondering and deffo not from Daily Mail ) xx

HollyBerryBush Wed 10-Apr-13 23:45:36

Tony Blair? 'd probably uncork a bottle of something and drink to his slow burn in hell, but I cant say he affected me enough to want to make a fool of myself in public by having a demo about him.

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:43:50

Sorry, I lurk a lot!!!(mostly on am i unreasonable!!!) When I say the thoughts, i mean a nicer debate as opposed to the bunfights that occasionally happen!!!! But its been interesting!!! smile

confused

Do you not normally post here (when you refer to the 'thoughts of mums netters)? Not that it's not nice to see you, I'm just curious - what were you expecting then?

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:39:22

It is interesting, the thoughts of the mums netters, its nice to have views that are more of a debate than a fight!! Wonder what will happen when Tony Blair dies !!! (bloody hell)

I have said nothing publicly about Thatchers death as respect that she has a family and have opted for the old if you have nothing good to say then say nothing at all.

What I will say is that I am a child of a 70's and 80's South Yorkshire pit town. I remember communites torn apart and then turning on each other to finish the job when they were running out of choices. I have lived in pit villages that were decimated beyond and left beyond depressed filled with people who are still being told they are worthless and a drain on society. There are reasons behind bitterness that are hard to understand if you weren't there.

WhizzforAtomms Wed 10-Apr-13 23:35:12

Sorry for posting the same thing twice, but Sunny Hundal has a few examples of the hypocrisy shown by some who have claimed to be upset at the bad taste of criticism after Thatcher's death but who were happy to be equally irreverent after Chavez died, and after Paul Foot died - The time when right-wingers celebrated the death of a politician.

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