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To be depressed at the countrys vile attacks on the death of mrs T

(48 Posts)
landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:11:28

Thats it really, it saddens me that anybody could be so hateful about somebodys death.
So you didn't agree with the polices, at least she wasn't like todays mps, trying to please everybody so they keep their jobs!

CSIJanner Wed 10-Apr-13 23:13:46

I think Russell Brand summed it up quite aptly:

"If love is something you cherish, it is hard to glean much joy from death, even in one's enemies."

yousankmybattleship Wed 10-Apr-13 23:16:02

There has been plenty said about this already, but if you don't like what's being said then don't read it.
Many people have valid reasons for wanting to talk about the damage she did to this country though and as the tax payers are subbing a show funeral I think we are entitled to express an opinion about her life.

FrameyMcFrame Wed 10-Apr-13 23:16:06

Yawn...

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:16:26

That s a lovely quote CSI. Having read all this week about the bloke who killed his children in a fire, sort of puts it all into perspective really x

McBalls Wed 10-Apr-13 23:17:02

What vile attacks?

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:17:53

Thats fair enough You sank, but maybe hope im sure that we all have a bit of humanity in us somewhere x sad

ParadiseChick Wed 10-Apr-13 23:19:10

What are you on about?

Is the slate wiped clean when you take your last breath?

Aspirational quotes from Russell brand?

I give up. Do try harder.

FrameyMcFrame Wed 10-Apr-13 23:19:34

She didn't

I dont understand either hmm

FFS some people truly believe that she caused deaths, suicides, put people onto the streets, put generations out of work, killed communities, covered up Hillsborough. I won't celebrate her death. But I'm not going to tell people who want to celebrate not to.

If there is an afterlife, which would be a surprise to him, my Scottish, mill worker, mining area, working class Grandfather will be there to meet her. Not in a good way.

yousankmybattleship Wed 10-Apr-13 23:21:13

I'm not sure how relevant Russell Brand's quote is. I glean no joy from her death, but given that it has been politicised by having a ceremonial funeral I feel justified in expressing my view about the way she broke down public services and destroyed communties.

christinarossetti Wed 10-Apr-13 23:21:37

It seems to me that the costly state funeral planned is the focus of a lot of very appropriate attacks, rather than her death per se.

A week after savage welfare cuts which will plunge thousands into poverty, and the country decides to spend a couple of million on the funeral of a rich woman whose family could well, well afford it.

That's what's vile (along with a lot of what Thatcher did and stood for).

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:23:10

Paradise, i suppose you are right about is the slate wiped clean when you die, would make an interesting debate i guess x Dunno really would be my answer x

Failedhippy Wed 10-Apr-13 23:24:21

YouSank I completely agree.

She was a militant and destroyed communities up and down the country and in Ireland. Unless you have lived in those places and in those times it is important not judge a persons outward expressions of joy at her death.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I take no joy in her death now but would have had she died when she was in power. I hate everything she stood for and everything she did but does her dying now change any of that? No it doesn't. I severely resent paying for a state funeral. She should have had a private family do.

I don't know what you mean, 'attacks on the death of mrs T', I've not seen anyone with a bad word to say about her death.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

I do find some of it upsetting when it gets personal, and I was shocked, but either I've been jaded by repeated exposure to off jokes about it or I find your rhetoric difficult to stomach.

1) It's not 'the country', it's people. Britain is not an homogeneous mass, despite what the right-wing press like to believe.

2) Yes, she was pretty like today's MPs.

3) If you object to people disrespecting someone who has died, it is hypocritical to imply that it would be ok to disrespect today's MPs.

BIWI Wed 10-Apr-13 23:30:35

It's probably worth reflecting on just why some people express such negative views about Margaret Thatcher.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Wed 10-Apr-13 23:30:47

christinarossetti excellent post!

landrover Wed 10-Apr-13 23:31:48

Lunatic, yes you are right, there are more important things to get upset about!
Its a funny thing but i have lurked on mumsnet over the years and i guess ive been surprised at the strength of feeling about this [i shouldnt be though, having read am i unreasonable all these years!!!]
So i guess i have been a little bit taken aback!

Still Im sure we will have the Daily Mail to give us other stuff to talk about tomorrow!!!! wink

HollyBerryBush Wed 10-Apr-13 23:34:23

People will have different opinions about certain issues.

My opinion is if the miners (and others) weren't holding the country to ransom none of it would have happened.

Lest we forget incidents of miners on bridges with concrete slabs, more than one death of a strike breaker with a slab through his windscreen.

Free choice? not if you went against the union and broke the strike. Free choice my arse in those days.

Not just the miners either, the old GPO were pretty adept at sending to Coventry too - more than one suicide there because of colleagues treatment post strike

Sympathy for strikers? not a jot. They will also meet their maker.

Growlithe Wed 10-Apr-13 23:34:57

Russell Brand also said this in the same article as quoted before. And I think this is what we should be 'depressed' about, as a country:'

Perhaps, though, Thatcher "the monster" didn't die yesterday from a stroke, perhaps that Thatcher died as she sobbed self-pitying tears as she was driven, defeated, from Downing Street, ousted by her own party. By then, 1990, I was 15, adolescent and instinctively anti-establishment enough to regard her disdainfully. I'd unthinkingly imbibed enough doctrine to know that, troubled as I was, there was little point looking elsewhere for support. I was on my own. We are all on our own. Norman Tebbit, one of Thatcher's acolytes and fellow "Munsters evacuee", said when the National Union of Mineworkers eventually succumbed to the military onslaught and starvation over which she presided: "We didn't just break the strike, we broke the spell." The spell he was referring to is the unseen bond that connects us all and prevents us from being subjugated by tyranny. The spell of community.

WhizzforAtomms Wed 10-Apr-13 23:35:12

Sorry for posting the same thing twice, but Sunny Hundal has a few examples of the hypocrisy shown by some who have claimed to be upset at the bad taste of criticism after Thatcher's death but who were happy to be equally irreverent after Chavez died, and after Paul Foot died - The time when right-wingers celebrated the death of a politician.

I have said nothing publicly about Thatchers death as respect that she has a family and have opted for the old if you have nothing good to say then say nothing at all.

What I will say is that I am a child of a 70's and 80's South Yorkshire pit town. I remember communites torn apart and then turning on each other to finish the job when they were running out of choices. I have lived in pit villages that were decimated beyond and left beyond depressed filled with people who are still being told they are worthless and a drain on society. There are reasons behind bitterness that are hard to understand if you weren't there.

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