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to be sick of the misogynist 'ding dong the witch is dead' stuff?

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sieglinde Wed 10-Apr-13 11:27:11

Look, I didn't like her either, but the misogyny of some of the retweetings and facebookings of 'ding dong the witch is dead' are really annoying me.

FFS. She wasn't a witch, and if you lot are simpleminded enough to cast yourselves as a. munchkins or b. witchhunters, then you are bringing the left into disrepute.

Stop it. Stop it now.

Dawndonna Wed 10-Apr-13 19:05:48

not demeaning

pigletmania Wed 10-Apr-13 19:18:48

Oh dear dawn

I am [not] demeaning myself in any way whatsoever by stating, publicly that I can't stand the woman. If I were able to demonstrate, trust me, I'd be there, placard waving the lot. But I'm exactly the sort of champagne socialist so despised on these boards. I'd be more embarrassed if one of my children asked for the toilet than I would be demonstrating against the legacies left by that particular government, headed by that particular woman.

Love it! grin

Bollocks it's misogynistic.

Certainly it's in bad taste to celebrate Thatcher's death. Furthermore, the people who seem to be doing it are too young to remember her time in power and what she did. They strike me as people who while not espousing her policies, have utterly and unthinkingly adopted her values - e.g. 'do what you want' individualism.

But it's also in very poor taste to start hurling around accusations of misogyny. This idea that Thatcher would have been hated less if she had been male - as if her policies weren't awful - make me laugh. If she had been male, we'd be hearing less about witches but more about ogres or the undead.

Without being misogynist, OP, you're being a tit.

ThePathanKhansAmnesiac Wed 10-Apr-13 19:23:39

Rusell Brand (of all people) wrote a brilliant piece on her death, how he,d happened upon her, with her security detail, watering a rose bush in London, something she did every week.
No friends, no family, just paid police protection.
He said she was the person who said there was no such thing as society, just the individual, and here she was, senile and alone.
He also said, the bell ringing on news of her death was kind of sad, and perhaps in the end, she had wrung the last of compassion from us(food for thought indeed).
I,m no fan of the right, but the celebrations of another humans death makes me sad.
On a lighter note, a while back I was talking to my niece aged 14, "Maggie Thatcher stole my milk at school"
Niece(with little sad face) " Aww, was she bigger than you?" shock grin.

Harsh Toad, but true.

AuntGertrude Wed 10-Apr-13 19:54:35

I wouldn't personally sing that song about her but I understand completely that other people might want to, and have the right to. And it's not misogynist, imo.

Some people complain that some young people are commenting about her, as if they have no right to speak about someone who was a politician before they were born. Are they allowed an opinion on Clement Attlee or Churchill or Hitler or Mussolini, Carter or Reagan, Gorbachev and Yeltsin? Teenagers today are living with the toxic legacy of Thatcherism and at least some of them are aware of it. My kids read the papers and follow the news and are very well aware of what Thatcher did - they studied it in history lessons in some cases, and heard it from family members and read about it on the internet. Teens these days are quite capable of finding out about what has created the culture of greed, callousness towards the poor and disadvantaged, the lack of council houses, the privatised industries that benefit only shareholders and cream off profits, the deregulation of banks etc. Then they do hear about Section 28, the support for Pinochet, the "let us rejoice" over the sinking of the Belgrano, the support for apartheid, as well as everything else. I see no reason to disallow teens and young people a voice on this matter: they have inherited all the terrible influence of Thatcher's free market and "Greed is good/no such thing as society" culture.

ShellyBoobs Wed 10-Apr-13 20:32:51

YANBU.

It is misogynistic and frankly pathetic.

Celebrating when she was ousted from power? Fine.

Celebrating that a frail old lady is dead. Fucking appalling, quite frankly.

My family and our community were hit very hard by MT's policies and the resulting fallout in our Northern towns and villages but I'm not going to start getting all het up about it again so many years down the line.

Some of you really are making utter tits of yourselves and will look back on this whole episode with shame, I'm sure.

soverylucky Wed 10-Apr-13 20:40:18

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NonnoMum Wed 10-Apr-13 20:49:57

THank goodness I've found this thread. Was beginning to feel completely disheartened and appalled by the mob mentality.

Complain about today's policies if you want to make a difference. One thing Mrs Thatcher did was defend Child Benefit/Family Allowance. Vent your anger at today's policies instead of the death of a little old lady with no current power.

Darkesteyes Wed 10-Apr-13 20:50:53

Anyone who rejoices in the death of a senile old woman has become exactly the sort of person that they are complaining about - uncaring, without compassion, unfeeling and selfish

Which is exactly what she wanted. Never has the saying "be careful what you wish for" seem so apt.

I wasn't a fan, but she is still a mother, and it must be painful for her family to have to read and listen to the nastiness about her sad

TunipTheVegedude Wed 10-Apr-13 21:02:05

Good to see this thread. The misogyny is blatant and revolting.

Dawndonna Wed 10-Apr-13 21:04:45

Some of you really are making utter tits of yourselves and will look back on this whole episode with shame, I'm sure.
If we're all the product of her disenfranchised society, I doubt it. I feel the government should be ashamed of continuing along the path she started, but heyho, not happening, is it.

chocolatesolveseverything Wed 10-Apr-13 21:25:32

Agree about the distastefulness of it all. Not entirely sure about the misogyny, but it's an interesting thing to ponder if the level of vitriol would be quite this personal had she been a man.

marfisa Wed 10-Apr-13 22:32:34

So any time someone uses a gender-specific insult to describe a woman, is that misogyny then? Or is it "witch" in particular you object to? If so, why? Just trying to clarify your stance, OP.

I'm not particularly fond of the term "witch", but in the context of MT, it seems to be shorthand for a woman who has done a lot of harm, which she has.

I simply can't get my knickers in a twist about people being disrespectful to Maggie. She wasn't merely a frail old woman with dementia; she was also a public figure who left an enduring public legacy and people are entitled to critique her as such. Especially if the state is going to fund a ceremonial funeral for her out of the public purse.

WhoWhatWhereWhen Wed 10-Apr-13 22:42:25

What shocks me is the attitudes towards young people on display in this thread, people should give them more credit.

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 10-Apr-13 22:42:50

YANBU.

marfisa Wed 10-Apr-13 22:43:04

Interesting article here - the last para is about the 'Ding dong' song:

angrywomen.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/thatchers-demise/

thebody Wed 10-Apr-13 22:48:34

I totally give young people credit. I have 4 and 2 of them are in their 20s.

However they don't remember maggie and have no idea of life in 1979.

Its just so sad that we still have this mysoginistic shit today.

Russell brand wrote a ridiculous long winded piece of crap about how he thought she was a bad mother and he felt sad for her children as she was never there. Fucking twat.

Read it on the other thread.

Just so so awful that we still judge women like this.

I never voted for her either.

Moominsarehippos Wed 10-Apr-13 23:01:49

I happily give anyone credit unless they are protesting about something they know bugger-all about. When we went on marches (I was a young person myself)- peaceful marches - if anyone was interviewed, most would know what they were protesting about. It wasn't glamorous, it was the very opposite - mostly cold and wet, long periods of hanging around and listening to long-winded speeches.

My late 20s niece hasn't a clue about who she was and what she did, but as a Facebook generation girl, I won't be suprised if she was at a anti-maggie-death-party.

Moominsarehippos Wed 10-Apr-13 23:02:59

'Late 20s' as in 28 year old niece, not a late niece.

LynetteScavo Wed 10-Apr-13 23:10:17

I don't see how saying one person was evil/a witch is misogynistic.

But then I don't see how this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD88WBTIXqU is misogynistic.

It's about one woman, not all women.

LynetteScavo Wed 10-Apr-13 23:10:33

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD88WBTIXqU

WhizzforAtomms Wed 10-Apr-13 23:18:55

That article made me laugh marfisa thank you - if calling her a witch is being interpreted as misogynistic then what’s wrong with calling Thatcher a venomous, putrid crust of syphilitic smegma on the chode of the universe?

In the context of the Wizard of Oz, being a witch isn't even an insult (remember Glenda?) and the ding dong song takes care to distinguish: Which old witch? The wicked witch. Love it.

A feminist guide to celebrating Thatcher?s demise

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