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To think 13 yo is too young for sex(39 Posts)
So i was watching US Supernanny yesterday. It transpired that a 13 yo boy had condoms in his room and later admitted to his parents he was sexually active.
There seemed to follow a couple of chats with his parents about the 'dangers' namely pg, STIs and a bit about emotions but I was naively a bit surprised tbh. As a newish mum it got me thinking what i'd do in this situation. Obviously 13 yos have been known to have sex but it seemed v par for the course for this kid, who (to me at least) looked older than his age.
The parents seemed calm which I guess is good as hitting the roof wouldn't achieve much but I was thinking who is the other party - a 13 yo girl which for some reason I find even worse. The parents didn't (seem) to say anything about the legalities of the situation or talk about who his partner was. Perhaps that bit wasn't aired. Would you try to find out? Tell the girls parents? Tell his friends parents?
In fact, when I ran a young teenagers' group at Church, I obviously told them that it was best not to have sex outside of marriage and the reasons why. But, should they choose to do it, then to protect themselves.
I have never yet met a 13y child, in this country, who is really emotionally mature enough to be having a sexual relationship.
I worked in secondary schools for over 10 years and met a lot of children, some more mature than others, some more worldly wise than others. Some were having sex at this age.
But not one of those 13y were really of an age where they should have been comtemplating sex.
13y is still a child.
I remember being extremely embarrassed that I was a 13yo virgin. I thought I would die, actually DIE, if I had to wait until 16 (ended up being a few yrs later, even).
I think a TV programme can't really cover all the nuances, OP.
I don't like to see normal human behaviour criminalised (13yos wanting to have sex with other 13yos is within the normal range).
I started a thread about staggering the age of consent recently.
Most people didn't seem to think it was a good idea.
Not sure how are parents supposed to prevent their children from having sex.
I used to be a family solicitor a parent allowing a 13 year old to have sex at home was one of the grounds the local authority used for taking a child into care.
Phew thank goodness for late puberty in our two older ones!
YANBU. I waited till I was 16 which probably makes me a geek. Whilst I don't regret my first encounter I wish I'd waited til 18 ...I certainly wasn't ready for the emotional aspects of sex and would have avoided a few shite relationships.
In reality though, theyre consenting to something that makes them feel really nice.
Sexuality is promoted everywhere, sex is promoted. PLUS it feels pretty damn good, both physically, and yes, it makes people feel wanted and validated too (rightly or wrongly)
I think understanding what will make kids want to have sex, and warning them of the downsides and risks but not pretending that theyre not going to want it and possibly seek it out.
I was sexually active from 12 though not piv sex at that point. Do I regret it? No. Would I do the same again? Possibly. Was I mature enough? I was mature enough to know that I wasn't mature enough to cope with a baby and therefore to steer clear of full intercourse.
YANBU to think its too young for sex. I feel uncomfortable when I read or hear people sayings its okay if its consensual between two 13 year olds or two 14 year olds or those close in age. It completely ignores the fact that they are not fully developed emotionally or mature enough to understand fully what they are consenting to.
I found out my 13 ( 14 in a couple of weeks ) year old ds has lost his virginity the other day, he certainly isn't short of love and affection, has both parents at home, and a very close relationship with his grandparents.
Teenaged boys? Hmm well, they don't tend to drop into my office and give me chapter and verse of their sex lives I'm afraid. Which, with some of the stuff the girls tell me, is a relief.
Most boys, I think, would like to be 'a player' but in reality it's all bravado. most boys aren't sexually active until a little older. That in its self shows that the ages within relationships are unequal eg 13yo girl/15yo boy thus the girl is effectively being exploited again even if she gives of the air of being promiscuous or precocious.
But Holly what would be your generalisation for teen boys?
I think theres some truth in what you say for a certain group but not for all.
I am going to make a sweeping generalisation here.
I can just about remember being a teenaged girl, even though its 35 odd years ago. I went to a girls school. Those girls who were sexually active at a very young age all had several things in common. Usually they were not academically inclined, more often than not they had no consistent father figure in their life and lastly there was often an emotional neglect going on at home. They were vulnerable and exploited.
Working in a school, I see that pattern still being repeated.
All I ever deduced about young sexually active girls, who also tend to have multiple partners, is that they are looking for affection and someone to love them and make them feel special, and it doesn't matter how fleetingly that moment lasts.
And they are still vulnerable and still exploited.
And I realise that isn't true of all young girls who are sexually active, but I'd say it was fair summary
DH lost his virginity at 11 behind his Sunday School, the girl was 13.
He doesn't feel any trauma or upset about it. I don't think had I been 11 I would of felt so calm, however I only waited until 13 and I don't regret it or feel unhappy about my decision.
In the USA the age of consent is different from the age of marriage, the later is often lower. So you can be married at a younger age (and have sex) than you can have sex outside marriage. Also to transport a child under age across the State border to have sex is an offence, to marry them is not.
However, do also remember Supernanny is a TV program, and the parent's real reaction etc. might have been different to that shown on the screen.
As a mother of teens I can assure you that in the UK (and I suspect most countries of the world) most 13 year olds are not having sex.
a lot of kids that age are VERY interested in sex, and some will be actively seeking it.
most wont, but its puberty and hormone central.
I think if the object of my crush was in the slightest bit interested at that time I would have been totally up for it.
The age of consent laws are to protect kids from predators. they are not a sign of "readiness"
Generally speaking, throughout Europe, there doesn't seem to be much correlation between age of consent and teenage pregnancy. The countries with the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy have some of the lowest ages of consent (12 in the Netherlands providing the elder partner is not more than 5 years older; 14 in Germany, Austria and Italy. 15 in Iceland, Denmark and Sweden.
It depends on whether you think the age of consent should exist to prevent vulnerable children and young people being abused and exploited by older teenagers and adults; or to prevent children and young people from the difficulties of young parenthood. If you think the former, then surely it's far more pragmatic to take the approach the Netherlands or some parts of Australia do and legislate so that young people are able to have sex with other young people of the same age, as opposed to operating an older blanket age of consent which means that many vulnerable and immature 16-year-olds can still be preyed upon by predatory adults many years older than them perfectly legally.
The friends I knew at school who were having sex at 13/14 weren't prevented from doing so when their parents found out/were informed and prohibited them from seeing their boyfriend/girlfriend and grounded them. They just found other ways - bunking off school, making up after-school clubs and then meeting at the local park. If young people want to have sex and will do so regardless of their parents' actions, it's far more productive to talk to them about safe sex, healthy relationships and feeling able to say no if you don't want to do something anymore, and advise and assist with contraception and emotional support.
It's a tricky one with lots of grey areas. I think at that age it's normal to be curious. Children of that age being sexually active with other children the same age you could say to an extent was acceptable but a child of 13 with someone older then no ... As I said grey areas.
Personally if it was my child I'd be mortified but I would equally like to be sensible about it and ensure they were comfortable to talk to me honestly about it so they didn't make any silly mistakes they would later regret.
Then I think about when I was 13 ... I had a bf a couple of years older and at one point I made the decision I would have sex with him ... Luckily I never had the courage to go and buy my own condoms so I never did (at least I was thinking safe!) I'm so glad I didn't now! At the time many of my friends were having sex. At least that's what they told me whether it was true was a different matter.
And I certainly don't think teenage sex is a new thing .,, it's always happened just before was never discussed.
If a young girl had a baby in days gone by, she'd be sent away and forced to give up her baby. These days a 13 year old having a baby is not unusual because people don't hide it away.
My DP lost his virginity at 13 (needless to say he is much older than that now!). I was horrified (mainly because I was 22 ) but at 13 I was still climbing trees and watching kids' tv. I don't even think I wore a bra.
I was sexually active at 13. I thought I was mature, i thought everyone was doing it so I need to do it to fit in. In hindsight it was ridiculous. And wasn't very good.
"13 is too young to be sexually active. What if you ended up becoming a parent at that age"
there are far more risks of sex than just pregnancy. and what if you 'ended up' (no-one is ended up at 13) a parent? well it would be dealt with in some way or another just like if you were 23 or 33. you would have options and have to make a decision.
It depends on the individual. Its not ideal but its different in other countries, cultures or communities. Most people have their own attitudes usually based on their own sexual experiences.
I know that two of my DC have been sexually active at 13 or 14. Its sort of the way of the world and their individual choice. It sounds like the parents reacted well. Going mad achieves very little.
There was a similar thread the other day from a mum in the same position here
I think it's too young emotionally but didn't realise how much it varies in other countries.
Does anyone know how their teen pregnancy rates compare?
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