Borrowing and lending dh can't ever get it right.

(56 Posts)
Gorjuss Tue 09-Apr-13 19:11:15

My dh continues to use the expression borrow and lend the wrong way round, claiming in front of dds that it doesn't make a difference and I am being awkward by pointing it out.

AnyoneforTurps Wed 10-Apr-13 10:18:17

Logically though you can only remember things yourself

We tend to use it more like that but actually it can mean "call to mind" more generally.

rtc8608 Wed 10-Apr-13 10:00:59

The ultimate annoying phrase when I was at school - 'Can I lend a pen'!

lashingsofbingeinghere Wed 10-Apr-13 09:57:19

Back in the North West, us kids would say "Give us a lend of your bike."

But I still know the difference between lend and borrow <sniffs>.

ILikeBirds Wed 10-Apr-13 09:52:54

Logically though you can only remember things yourself, if you want someone else to remember something you remind them. It's why it sounds so wrong to me even if it has historical usage.

Steppemum - interesting! As I understand it, in Welsh you don't say Yes, but just confirm the point asked. "Can you swim?" "I can." Can any Welsh speakers confirm this?

AnyoneforTurps Wed 10-Apr-13 08:16:16

"Remember me to" is perfectly correct, just slightly old-fashioned.

OP YANBU though - infuriating.

Bunbaker Wed 10-Apr-13 07:37:53

When I first moved to Leeds I was confused when people said "while" instead of "until" - he won't be back while 3.

steppemum Tue 09-Apr-13 22:24:52

In Indonesian the word for no is hardly ever used.

If possible you use another phrase like

yes - but mean no
that's nice - means no
maybe tomorrow - means no
etc etc

but my favourite, used in pretty much every context is - Not Yet!

steppemum Tue 09-Apr-13 22:22:30

how about rent and let?

I am renting my house, no you aren't if you were renting it you would be paying a LL money per month. You are LETTING it.

Or even bring and take.
At home child says 'I will bring it to school tomorrow'

No you won't, you will TAKE it to school and then BRING it home again.
dh cannot get this one right, but to be fair English is one of 5 languages he speaks, and it is pretty good, he can correct my grammar!

Apileofballyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 22:22:30

There really isn't any equivalent in English for the Irish habitual present tense - it is the present tense of 'I used to' or 'I would have' as opposed to the present tense of 'I was'. Hard to explain!

There is no word for 'yes' or 'no' in Irish.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Tue 09-Apr-13 22:15:28

Where I live, also up North, kids seem to think the past tense of beat is bet. They'll say things like 'remember last season when Leeds bet Sheffield Wednesday'. They also think the past tense of treat is tret, as in ' last night I tret missen to fish and chips'. Apparently missen means myself. It doesn't make me angry though, I love the local dialect.

Hechan Tue 09-Apr-13 22:08:47

I know. Tbf it's not taught as part of English, but as the English translation of the Irish, if you see what I mean.

UptoapointLordCopper Tue 09-Apr-13 22:06:39

"yous" shock

Hechan Tue 09-Apr-13 22:04:57

My kids have learned at school that you plural in English is yous.

UptoapointLordCopper Tue 09-Apr-13 22:03:29

You can use "they" for he/she, according to my dictionary, but it calls it "slang".

Hechan Tue 09-Apr-13 22:03:27

I am learning Irish. Apparently there are 2 different verbs for "to be", one for normal use and one for habitual use. The teacher explained the latter was the equivalent of the English "do you be", as in, "do you be going running every Friday?".

Can't say I remember learning that construction at school.

UptoapointLordCopper Tue 09-Apr-13 22:02:38

Apparently there is a language which doesn't do left and right - just north south east west! Then you can be very specific about directions. "There are some Lego pieces south of the east-facing sofa". grin

drjohnsonscat Tue 09-Apr-13 22:00:32

smile at "remember me to the one who lives there"...takes me back to the 80s in my teenage bedroom listening to S&G - all in all a very 80s themed day.

English doesn't need a tu/vous thing - I struggle with it in French. But we do need a he/she/it word.

EggsEggSplat Tue 09-Apr-13 21:54:49

I can see that would be quite a useful distinction. I definitely think the you singular v you plural thing (a la French & German) could be handy too, though having said that, the ability to be vague also has its attractions, as I have learnt from Japanese.

When I rule the world, I might have to invent a new world language, way better than Esperanto, incorporating all these interesting/quirky/useful things.

UptoapointLordCopper Tue 09-Apr-13 21:50:32

Thank you eggs. Isn't it marvellous? Further display of language trivia: in Malay/indonesian you have two "we" - one including the listener and one excluding.

EggsEggSplat Tue 09-Apr-13 21:38:26

Uptoapointlordcopper - I think this and that are demonstrative adjectives. Much more similar, except that in Japanese there is that third one, ano/are etc = 'that one over there' etc.

ImpatientOne Tue 09-Apr-13 21:16:11

Yes Snorbs I completely agree on the itch/scratch one it drives me nuts grin

My poor DH really gets a tough ride as English is his second language but I don't let him get away with much! blush

UptoapointLordCopper Tue 09-Apr-13 21:12:49

What do you call the "this" and "that"? We have them in Japanese and Chinese. But definitely no "a" and "the".

EggsEggSplat Tue 09-Apr-13 21:09:04

Borrow/lend, teach/learn, 'I was sat', 'I was laying' - all make me twitch. But I think some of it is regional usage as well as just bad grammar.

(sidetrack: Uptoapointlordcopper - there are $no articles at all - definite or indefinite- in Japanese, or Chinese, or Korean etc, so it is very hard for them to get the hang of usage. Also no plurals as we know them in any of those languages, and no verbs with tenses in Chinese. Makes it easier for Europeans to learn those languages, though there are other difficulties...)

Viviennemary Tue 09-Apr-13 21:06:46

Remember me to one who lives there. She once was a true love of mine.

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