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To think that Kirstie Allsopp is completely out of touch? RE Twitter

(93 Posts)
Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 14:28:47

I just saw this:

M&S worker
"You are completely wrong on this one, Frankie is a great stand up, you're coming across as a stuck up bitch."

Kirsty
"The next person that wants to call me vile, offensive & women bashing names better remove their employer from their profile, I fight mean!!"

M&S worker
"I'm sorry for what I said. I have no problem apologising. Just overreacted"

https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp

This is in regards to Frankee Boyle and Thatcher.

Is it just me or is Allsopp being ridiculous?

DeskPlanner Tue 09-Apr-13 18:09:35

I agree with her.

Good on her. She's gone up in my estimation for challenging that.

Booyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 17:44:47

OP i wonder if you would be supporting this person's right to call someone a racist term on twitter?

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 17:29:18

As you're travelling I suggest you pay close attention to What you can and can't say online. In Turkey mentioning 'Armenian' and 'genocide' in the same sentence will get you into legal trouble. In Thailand they're rather overprotective of the King.

BreasticlesNTesticles Tue 09-Apr-13 17:23:00

Agree with Tarka If someone came up to me in an M&S uniform with a name badge on and called me a cunt and a stuck up bitch I would feel perfectly justified in going to M&S and telling them what happened.

As to you commenting on Twitter when you don't even use it shock? Where have you got the quote from?

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 17:17:14

I am from the UK, but I don't live there at the minute. Maybe I am just out of touch, I apologise if I have offended anyone. That was certainly not my intention.

I am spending my twenties travelling the world, working as a teacher as I do so. Everywhere I go people treat me differently. At first I would get offended by certain things, but now I am so used to it that nothing really offends me any more.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 17:16:54

AND you have a thread title claiming someone is out of touch with a communication method you don't even use hmm

::definitely bows out this time::

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 17:16:43

Look at it this way. KA was educating that person (and anyone else who was paying attention to that discussion) on The Realities of Social Media and Employment in the Twenty-First Century.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 17:15:58

I just saw you aren't even on Twitter. So you've picked up part of a Twitter conversation from somewhere, quoted it wrongly, and came on here to tell us we should love and educate people who think it's fine to call women cunts.

::bows out::

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 17:13:00

OP, imagine you had a DD who was publically called a cunt, or a stuck up bitch, how would you want her to respond? KA took the power back, extracted an apology and maybe made others think twice.

I would like to hope that I would teach my daughter that names can only hurt you if you let them. I would also hope that my daughter would be able to spot an attention-seeker and respond maturely.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 17:09:07

Personally a forced apology would mean nothing to me. I would prefer to educate the person and actually teach them something. What use is a forced apology to anyone? It dosen't help you or them.

BegoniaBampot Tue 09-Apr-13 17:08:24

sounds like she got him to retract and apologise, sounds like she handled it fine and won. Think he/she will learn from that more than if she ignored it.

IncrediblePhatTheInnkeepersCat Tue 09-Apr-13 17:02:04

I think KA was quite right to reply how she did and I'm glad that he apologised.

OP, imagine you had a DD who was publically called a cunt, or a stuck up bitch, how would you want her to respond? KA took the power back, extracted an apology and maybe made others think twice.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 16:49:31

'From my personal experience misogynists are normally people who need love and education'

Well you go for it. Explain away. Those of us who think that they're arrogant, unpleasant people who act like that because they think they will get away with it are free to think she did exactly the right thing.

She is right. Don't see why she would be wrong.

TarkaTheOtter Tue 09-Apr-13 16:42:30

I'm not a fan of KA but I can't see what she did wrong here. Maybe it's a twitter thing as I don't use it, but if someone in the street called me a cunt in an m&s uniform I would consider "complaining" to them. It's not a great advertisement is it.

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 16:40:13

nokids, everyone knows what a cunt is. That is precisely why misogynists use it. you can try and intellectualise things and maybe you would have kept the moral high ground. But the truth is what she said did the man a lesson. He will perhaps think twice before opening his mouth

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:38:19

'getting upset over it will only make the misogynists win'. Wow. Really?

Surely that is what this type of misogynist wants? He/she insulted her, I'm assuming with the intent to upset her. Most people who throw insults around just want the insulted party to get upset and react. Why else would they do it?

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 16:31:13

'getting upset over it will only make the misogynists win'

Wow. Really?

'I believe that everyone has the right to say what they like, regardless of how harsh it may be, we do not live in a society that silences people and you should be thankful that we don't'

You can believe it all you want but we don't all have the right to say what we want in the UK without consequences. There are laws against hate speech, laws that deal with threatening and abusive language and employee contracts and terms of use agreements that cover conduct (including speech or tweets.) It's misconduct to use certain language in the presence of coworkers. You can be arrested and face criminal charges for some language. As it should be.

HairyGrotter Tue 09-Apr-13 16:28:07

I actually got involved with this 'spat' last night, and she is a condescending twat. I didn't resort to name calling, but she is a dick

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:24:39

you'd have told them what a cunt is. [...] well, yes, that would be them well and truly told.

Like I said, I am not too sure what my response would be, this is just one that came to mind. If you look up the meaning of the word in the dictionary then you would see that the first definition is listed as a 'vulva, or vagina'. This is quite simply part of female anatomy and I would question why they feel that this is an appropriate name, or adjective, for myself.

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 16:17:48

you'd have told them what a cunt is.

well, yes, that would be them well and truly told. confused

Bowlersarm Tue 09-Apr-13 16:15:24

'However in this particular instance I feel that an intelligent response would have been the best one'

Well good for you. She clearly didn't

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:14:38

OP What do you think would have been an appropriate response from KA? And have you actually read any of the other tweets relating to this?

No, I have not. I do not use Twitter.

As for an appropriate response I am not sure. I would have perhaps directed them to the actual dictionary definition of said word?

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:10:51

*I don't feel that misogynists deserve intelligent and thought-provoking responses. I think they should just STFU. And you are coming across like you're excusing it, sorry, but you are.

And the school of thought that women should only ever be intelligent and thought-provoking and lady-like (I know you didn't use that word) is deeply sexist btw. Why shouldn't she 'fight mean'.*

She may fight mean if she likes, but that would make her just as bad as whomever said the original tweet.

I believe that everyone has the right to say what they like, regardless of how harsh it may be, we do not live in a society that silences people and you should be thankful that we don't. Unfortunately we have misogynists in our society. I wish we didn't, but we do. From my personal experience misogynists are normally people who need love and education. I would rather respond to them with something they could think about, rather than something to scare them.

I do not think that women should be intelligent, thought-provoking and lady-like all of the time. However in this particular instance I feel that an intelligent response would have been the best one.

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