to be surprised so few have signed?

(56 Posts)
Flojobunny Sun 07-Apr-13 11:01:52

Just signed the 'Justice for Jade' e-petition.
If it reaches 100,000 signature, they can discuss it in parliament.
Surprised to find only 2,000 or so votes.
It is to change the law so people can be prosecuted if their dog attacks on private property.
Is this not important?

rottentomatoes Sun 07-Apr-13 14:58:28

People who are worried about this leading to trespassers gaining power needn't worry as provision could be made in the law to account for this.

JulieBunnyMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 07-Apr-13 14:58:57

There is a section for petitions. wink Maybe your thread will be happier in there, Flojo? smile

Flojobunny Sun 07-Apr-13 16:11:35

Oooops didnt know we had one of those HQ!
Not trying to encourage anyone to sign, just making people aware it is there if they want to and expressing my surprise that more people don't want to.
Though part of me wants more people to sign, because I just want something that might give that poor family comfort in this terrible time.
Having said that, I dont believe in violence on any level, and dont think it right the dogs are used as weapons in the misguided concept of 'guarding' property but I have never been broken in to so might feel differently, then again I've never been bitten by a dog either.

Flojobunny Sun 07-Apr-13 22:28:54

Up to 6,000+ votes now. Nowhere near enough. Perhaps people are worried the law won't account for trespassers.

I'd be behind a petition for responsible dog ownership, but not something like this.

Why was she on the property in the first place?

MousyMouse Sun 07-Apr-13 22:51:43

I have signed.
I think many things could be better with regards to dog ownership/responsibilities and this would be a good start.
worried dog owners could always take out insurance and/or train dogs better or get rid of a dog they cannot care adequately for.

The responsible ones would, Mousy. The asshats with status dogs will just continue to own and breed dogs they can't handle.

It's a ridiculous knee-jerk response to a tragedy and i hope it doesn't get anywhere.

erowid Sun 07-Apr-13 23:10:34

I wouldn't sign it.

Sparklyblue Mon 08-Apr-13 00:03:33

I have signed.

HollaAtMeBaby Mon 08-Apr-13 07:36:25

I've signed.

But then, I bloody hate dogs. I'd happily sign a petition for the whole stinking lot of them to be wiped out altogether.

whokilleddannylatimer Mon 08-Apr-13 07:45:47

My problem with it is, my mums dog is the most placid ball of fluff but if someone broke into their house and attacked my mum he would go for them.

This law would mean they would be proscecuted for the dog defending them from that.

However I do think liscence and chipping and proscecuting in cases where neglect or lack of care or such can be shown should be brought in.

whokilleddannylatimer Mon 08-Apr-13 07:47:25

Quint she was visited her friend.

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 07:57:16

People won't sign because they don't want to be held responsible for their dogs, it's their right to let their dog bite visitors to their home don't you know! I'll be signing it.

TheFallenNinja Mon 08-Apr-13 08:06:33

I wouldn't sign for 2 reasons

It want give anyone justice.

I've yet to see a knee jerk law that does what it intends.

HollyBerryBush Mon 08-Apr-13 08:08:34

People won't sign because they don't want to be held responsible for their dogs

I don't have a dog and I won't sign it.

It also won't prevent dog attacks, because knowing legislation exists to punish owners retrospectively means zip to the sort of owners who are not responsible for their dogs' behaviour.

Holla, what a cogent and thoughtful response hmm

Mimishimi Mon 08-Apr-13 08:16:47

I am not surprised. However, is it established that the dogs actually did belong to the owner of the property? I am sure there would be grounds for legal action if they did not. Why was Jade there by herself? We get packs of dogs in Australia. Sadly, there is no one breed where it's not possible for them to get in with the 'wrong crowd' ( and yes, they are usuallly teenage- in dog years- males ). We had to give away labrador once because he started attacking chickens with another dog, then a couple more joined them and they started attacking calves at a nearby dairy farm. M&D didn't believe it when the farmer first started telling them because he would come back clean in the early evening but once they knew for sure they were concerned he might have turned on us.

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 08:19:45

Fallenninja, it's not a knee jerk reaction, the present dangerous dogs act is inadequate and there have been moves to change the law for some time now. Considering hospital admissions for dog attacks have increased by 500% in the last twenty years it seems something needs to be done to tackle irresponsible owners. There is no reason why trespassers can't be excluded from the law and responsible owners who have proper control over their animals should have nothing to fear.

HollyBerryBush Mon 08-Apr-13 08:22:27

To be very picky the petition is ill written and wishy washy, which is why most of these things fail.

Quote: ""We want to get the law changed to make dog owners accountable for their dogs at the moment the police have no powers to prosecute dog owners if their dog attacks somebody on private property we want that changed as well as regulating certain breads of dogs so they have a license and have the dog registered and micro chipped . this would give police the power to confiscate viscous dogs that are unlicensed and hopefully we can save other family's suffering like we have gone through"" unquote

These are statistically the top ten vicious dog breeds (by reported bites) in the UK - do you think any of these come under the petitions 'regulating certain breeds' ? Confiscate? and do what with it?

1.Dachshunds
2.Chihuahua
3.Jack Russell
4.Australian Cattle Dog
5.Cocker Spaniel
6.Beagle
7.Border Collie
8.Pit Bull Terrier
9.Great Dane
10.English Springer Spaniel

To be honest, I would sign anything that would promote responsible dog ownership one way or another, or give anybody real power to act in the face of dog owners not picking up dog poo, not keeping aggressive dogs on leaches, but I doubt this petition will achieve this.

Personally, I think most dogs are pests. (Due to their owners, I suppose)
I have lost count of dog owners laughing at their dogs nipping and jumping on my dc, saying "oh isnt he cute, he is so playful" There is nothing cute about a dog chasing a child, barking and nipping.

In fact, if there was a petition that allowed parents to carry paint guns to mark unfriendly dogs for dog wardens to put down, I would sign it!

It is still retrospective prosecution and as such will not prevent bites or deaths. Which to me, is the most important thing.

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 08:27:10

The purpose of the petition is to force a debate about the issue in parliament and hopefully prompt a change in the law, how the petition is worded isn't important.

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 08:28:58

Beer, aren't most prosecutions retrospective? You can't really prosecute someone until the crime has been committed!

alarkthatcouldpray Mon 08-Apr-13 08:30:45

I took my neighbour a parcel I had taken in for her a couple of Christmases ago. 12yr old son opened door and their dog flew out at me. I was holding my six month old baby, retreated backwards, fell over a garden ornament and lay in the rockery with it snarling and growling over us both until I managed to escape. Thankfully it didn't bite. It was a terrifying experience. Had I or baby been injured I would have been furious to find out I was powerless to do anything about it.

Since then it has tried to snarl and snap when I'm getting out the car, sticking its nose in at me on one occasion. It also escaped one day and went for me as I stepped out my front door. I have to take my kids out to the car one at a time as I don't trust the door or its owners. My elder DD is aware of why we do this and is inevitably going to end up nervous of dogs which annoys me.

I am a GP and hate going to houses where people just let their dogs intimidate me trying to get out the car. I usually phone them and tell them to sort the dog out before I can do the home visit. I have been in the situation where the ill patient was bed bound and alone with a dog barking aggressively at me trying to open car door. Thankfully had a driver that day as doing ooh, he distracted the dog while I made for the door.

Do people really want others to feel this way on their property? Pretty sad if they do!

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