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To ask for a list of jobs that mean that teachers have never had it so good and should stop complaining?

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chicaguapa · 04/04/2013 20:26

I thought I'd try and equal the number of threads about the Philpots with ones about teaching? Wink

Why oh why does everyone have to have an opinion on teaching? Why is it ok to say 'well if you don't like it, get another job?' Don't people want teachers to teach their children or is everyone planning on home edding?

One argument is that there are other jobs out there that are just as shit. Maybe we could just list the jobs that have all of the following:

A similar level of unrelenting pressure
National expectation & judgement of results
Responsibility for future success of the next generation
Constant derision from service users ie parents/ public
Systematic devaluing of the profession by their employer ie government
Similar annual hours
Same post-graduate qualification level
Same salary

Then all the teachers can say yes, they are shit jobs too. And all the other people can be pleased that the teachers have acknowledged they don't have the only shit job in the world and theirs is just one of them.

Jobs have to fit all of the above criteria or they don't count.

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Oodsigma · 04/04/2013 20:27

Social Work?

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ReallyTired · 04/04/2013 20:30

Social worker, doctors, nurse, midwife, health visitor.

Social workers suffer the wroth of the general public more than teachers. They certainly have unrelenting pressure and if they make a mistake then a child dies.

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Fleecyslippers · 04/04/2013 20:31

Nurses. Nurses are cruel, uncaring and earn too much money and have too much pension.

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chicaguapa · 04/04/2013 20:32

Agreed, but do they earn the same or have to be a post-graduate? I don't know what social workers earn or need qualification-wise.

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Shelly32 · 04/04/2013 20:32

I'm a teacher, my sister is a social worker. I wouldn't do her job and she wouldn't do mine.

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Whathaveiforgottentoday · 04/04/2013 20:34

agree with social worker - now that would be a career to move to that gets more of a bashing. Agree with health visitor too.

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FreyaSnow · 04/04/2013 20:35

Lots of people have all these issues with their profession.

You don't need a postgraduate degree to be a primary school teacher.

Most of people's issues with education are down to the way schools are managed, not with the teachers themselves.

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chicaguapa · 04/04/2013 20:36

Agree that I wouldn't be a nurse or a social worker. But do you think that people generally accept these are difficult jobs and they are underpaid and underappreciated? (I do.)

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dramaqueen · 04/04/2013 20:36

Oh FFS. So fed up with these threads. Most people work hard and have pressure in their jobs. Just deal with it or move on. There are enough teachers looking for jobs so let them have your job.

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dramaqueen · 04/04/2013 20:37

Then do something else. Yes, it is that simple. Leaving this now as it is so irritating.

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ReluctantBeing · 04/04/2013 20:37

You don't need a postgraduate qualification to be a primary teacher? Really?

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TroublesomeEx · 04/04/2013 20:38

SW don't need PG qualifications unless they didn't do a SW degree and qualified by doing the MA in SW. I think the pay is fairly comparable. Expectations, lack of respect any heavy workload are v similar. IMO.

Doctors are in a different league. Pay is a lot better and training is longer but different. I don't think it's comparable.

Nursing doesn't require PG qualifications.

I think SW is fairly comparable.

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lopsided · 04/04/2013 20:39

Doctors receptionist
Don't have to be a postgrad, but the pay and abuse are terrible.

Paramedics, poor pay, shocking levels of abuse and violence. Antisocial hours. If you cock up someone could die.

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TroublesomeEx · 04/04/2013 20:39

Why don't you need a PG qualification to be a primary school teacher?

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FreyaSnow · 04/04/2013 20:39

No, you can be a primary teacher with a BA Ed. Some BA Ed courses are three years in length and some are four. It is an undergraduate level qualification. Many primary school head teachers would rather employ an NQT with a BA Ed than a graduate with a PGCE.

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chicaguapa · 04/04/2013 20:40

You don't need a postgraduate degree to be a primary school teacher.

Do you not need a PGCE to be a primary school teacher? I didn't know that.

I'm not a teacher btw.

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Fleecyslippers · 04/04/2013 20:40

Junior doctor. Relentless pressure, obscene hours and lots of people could die.

If you hate your job so much OP, WHY do you do it?

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ReallyTired · 04/04/2013 20:40

"Agreed, but do they earn the same or have to be a post-graduate? I don't know what social workers earn or need qualification-wise."

Nurses and midwives often have specialist postgraduate qualifications. Health visitors have an Msc in Public Health. It takes four years to become a midwife which is comparable to how long it takes to become a teacher. I don't think you can really argue that a BEd is superior to a 4 year BSc in Midwifery.

A nurse starts on 21K and senior nurses can earn 35K or 40K. Being a nurse takes a similar level of intelligence to being a teacher and its reasonable that it is paid similarly.

Junior doctors do not earn huge bucks, but they have the potential to earn well in the future. (However teachers can earn well if they go into senior management)

There are lots of routes into social work and I believe that many people take a postgraduate qualification. social worker pay is similar to a teacher.

www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Social_Worker/Salary

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Felicitywasonholiday · 04/04/2013 20:41

You do, well that or a Bed. In a state school.

You don't need any qualifications at all in independent or free schools. Most teachers still do though, but other routes in are also accepted.

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TroublesomeEx · 04/04/2013 20:41

Although you do have a point. It's not a PG degree, the clue is in the title PG'C'E or PGDE from a lot of universities now.

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Oodsigma · 04/04/2013 20:41

Sw are getting pushed into post grad now even if its not compulsory. There's less career progression than teachers and salary is variable as they don't have the national scale.

I wouldn't do either!

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FreyaSnow · 04/04/2013 20:42

Felicity, a B Ed and a BA Ed are undergraduate degrees. They are not a higher level of qualification than any other undergraduate degree. Many are now three years long.

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lopsided · 04/04/2013 20:43

Teaching doesn't require a post graduate qualification. It's just most people do it that way.

Social work carries a greater degree of exposure to threatening situations as it often requires lone working. You only ever hear about social work where there has been a cock up and a vulnerable person has suffered.

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wherearemysocka · 04/04/2013 20:45

I'm a teacher and think there are far worse jobs than teaching. That's why I don't do them and teach instead. You're not really helping the image of teachers doing nothing but moaning about how hard they have it, are you?

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Felicitywasonholiday · 04/04/2013 20:45

Freya, yes I know. That's why I wrote 'you do, well that or a BEd.

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