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To ask for a list of jobs that mean that teachers have never had it so good and should stop complaining?

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chicaguapa Thu 04-Apr-13 20:26:18

I thought I'd try and equal the number of threads about the Philpots with ones about teaching? wink

Why oh why does everyone have to have an opinion on teaching? <wails> Why is it ok to say 'well if you don't like it, get another job?' Don't people want teachers to teach their children or is everyone planning on home edding?

One argument is that there are other jobs out there that are just as shit. Maybe we could just list the jobs that have all of the following:

A similar level of unrelenting pressure
National expectation & judgement of results
Responsibility for future success of the next generation
Constant derision from service users ie parents/ public
Systematic devaluing of the profession by their employer ie government
Similar annual hours
Same post-graduate qualification level
Same salary

Then all the teachers can say yes, they are shit jobs too. And all the other people can be pleased that the teachers have acknowledged they don't have the only shit job in the world and theirs is just one of them.

Jobs have to fit all of the above criteria or they don't count.

Oodsigma Thu 04-Apr-13 20:27:05

Social Work?

ReallyTired England Thu 04-Apr-13 20:30:00

Social worker, doctors, nurse, midwife, health visitor.

Social workers suffer the wroth of the general public more than teachers. They certainly have unrelenting pressure and if they make a mistake then a child dies.

Fleecyslippers Thu 04-Apr-13 20:31:24

Nurses. Nurses are cruel, uncaring and earn too much money and have too much pension.

chicaguapa Thu 04-Apr-13 20:32:23

Agreed, but do they earn the same or have to be a post-graduate? I don't know what social workers earn or need qualification-wise.

Shelly32 Thu 04-Apr-13 20:32:34

I'm a teacher, my sister is a social worker. I wouldn't do her job and she wouldn't do mine.

Whathaveiforgottentoday Thu 04-Apr-13 20:34:21

agree with social worker - now that would be a career to move to that gets more of a bashing. Agree with health visitor too.

FreyaSnow Thu 04-Apr-13 20:35:11

Lots of people have all these issues with their profession.

You don't need a postgraduate degree to be a primary school teacher.

Most of people's issues with education are down to the way schools are managed, not with the teachers themselves.

chicaguapa Thu 04-Apr-13 20:36:04

Agree that I wouldn't be a nurse or a social worker. But do you think that people generally accept these are difficult jobs and they are underpaid and underappreciated? (I do.)

dramaqueen Thu 04-Apr-13 20:36:48

Oh FFS. So fed up with these threads. Most people work hard and have pressure in their jobs. Just deal with it or move on. There are enough teachers looking for jobs so let them have your job.

dramaqueen Thu 04-Apr-13 20:37:41

Then do something else. Yes, it is that simple. Leaving this now as it is so irritating.

ReluctantBeing Thu 04-Apr-13 20:37:53

You don't need a postgraduate qualification to be a primary teacher? Really?

TroublesomeEx Thu 04-Apr-13 20:38:51

SW don't need PG qualifications unless they didn't do a SW degree and qualified by doing the MA in SW. I think the pay is fairly comparable. Expectations, lack of respect any heavy workload are v similar. IMO.

Doctors are in a different league. Pay is a lot better and training is longer but different. I don't think it's comparable.

Nursing doesn't require PG qualifications.

I think SW is fairly comparable.

lopsided Thu 04-Apr-13 20:39:12

Doctors receptionist
Don't have to be a postgrad, but the pay and abuse are terrible.

Paramedics, poor pay, shocking levels of abuse and violence. Antisocial hours. If you cock up someone could die.

TroublesomeEx Thu 04-Apr-13 20:39:25

Why don't you need a PG qualification to be a primary school teacher?

FreyaSnow Thu 04-Apr-13 20:39:54

No, you can be a primary teacher with a BA Ed. Some BA Ed courses are three years in length and some are four. It is an undergraduate level qualification. Many primary school head teachers would rather employ an NQT with a BA Ed than a graduate with a PGCE.

chicaguapa Thu 04-Apr-13 20:40:12

You don't need a postgraduate degree to be a primary school teacher.

Do you not need a PGCE to be a primary school teacher? I didn't know that.

I'm not a teacher btw.

Fleecyslippers Thu 04-Apr-13 20:40:45

Junior doctor. Relentless pressure, obscene hours and lots of people could die.

If you hate your job so much OP, WHY do you do it?

ReallyTired England Thu 04-Apr-13 20:40:56

"Agreed, but do they earn the same or have to be a post-graduate? I don't know what social workers earn or need qualification-wise."

Nurses and midwives often have specialist postgraduate qualifications. Health visitors have an Msc in Public Health. It takes four years to become a midwife which is comparable to how long it takes to become a teacher. I don't think you can really argue that a BEd is superior to a 4 year BSc in Midwifery.

A nurse starts on 21K and senior nurses can earn 35K or 40K. Being a nurse takes a similar level of intelligence to being a teacher and its reasonable that it is paid similarly.

Junior doctors do not earn huge bucks, but they have the potential to earn well in the future. (However teachers can earn well if they go into senior management)

There are lots of routes into social work and I believe that many people take a postgraduate qualification. social worker pay is similar to a teacher.

www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Social_Worker/Salary

Felicitywasonholiday Thu 04-Apr-13 20:41:01

You do, well that or a Bed. In a state school.

You don't need any qualifications at all in independent or free schools. Most teachers still do though, but other routes in are also accepted.

TroublesomeEx Thu 04-Apr-13 20:41:53

Although you do have a point. It's not a PG degree, the clue is in the title PG'C'E or PGDE from a lot of universities now.

Oodsigma Thu 04-Apr-13 20:41:54

Sw are getting pushed into post grad now even if its not compulsory. There's less career progression than teachers and salary is variable as they don't have the national scale.

I wouldn't do either!

FreyaSnow Thu 04-Apr-13 20:42:56

Felicity, a B Ed and a BA Ed are undergraduate degrees. They are not a higher level of qualification than any other undergraduate degree. Many are now three years long.

lopsided Thu 04-Apr-13 20:43:49

Teaching doesn't require a post graduate qualification. It's just most people do it that way.

Social work carries a greater degree of exposure to threatening situations as it often requires lone working. You only ever hear about social work where there has been a cock up and a vulnerable person has suffered.

wherearemysocka Thu 04-Apr-13 20:45:16

I'm a teacher and think there are far worse jobs than teaching. That's why I don't do them and teach instead. You're not really helping the image of teachers doing nothing but moaning about how hard they have it, are you?

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