Sub-letting of council accommodation. Why are so many mothers on welfare who still have active sexual relationships with the father of their child, are not living in the flat or house allocate for the

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SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 13:30:36

I know of at least five relationships where this is happening.

The fathers are still, actively in the children?s lives, and there is no apparent relationship problem, but they are living apart.

The mothers live part or most of their lives at the parents? (council) houses and in some cases the fathers do as well, so that they can sublet their council houses. I have not reported them yet. Should I?

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 13:49:14

They're not single mothers, as such.

They are in active relationships with the father of their children. They just appear to be single to many when they spend most of their lives at their parents' home (council house) and partner doing the same at his parents' council house.

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 13:49:48

With some councils it's not illegal to sublet a council property, but you can only rent it out for the amount the council charge for rent, so you can't make a profit on it.

lysteddy Mon 25-Mar-13 13:50:09

Just checked my council website and they consider this as fraud "sub-letting council property to tenants without consent".

Maybe they have consent..

lysteddy Mon 25-Mar-13 13:52:07

Catchingmockingbirds: that sort of sublet is allowed by my council but you just have to tell them.

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 13:52:20

That interesting cathcingmockingbirds.

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 13:54:11

This is certainly for profit. Many trips abroad. BMW and no employment with no effort at finding jobs.

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 13:54:41

My council allows the same thing.

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 13:56:04

If they're acting illegally and you feel strongly about reporting them then you should do so.

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 25-Mar-13 13:57:59

Oh here we go, holidays and BMWs now and I bet flat screen tellys and designer clothes, Yes?

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 13:59:03

Gaining profit from a small pool of money allocated for welfare housing is, I think, immoral. The council is not vetting who they are letting to. What would happen in the case of a fire due to overcrowding? Who would know which tenants have consent to be there? The children haven't asked to be in this situation.

edam Mon 25-Mar-13 14:01:30

If this is really about concern for homeless families, why are you specifically attacking mothers and not fathers as well? Why are you getting so excited about 'sexual relationships'?

Seems to me it's not sub-letting that bothers you, what you actually get your knickers in a twist about is mothers on benefits.

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:01:30

Yes, they do have BMWs and brag about their D&G clothing. It's a sad but true stereotype. Flat screens aren't expensive however, are they?

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:05:44

edam, the fact that they are having ongoing sexual relationships with the fathers of their children, is simply to illustrate, that these men haven't left, they are still involved in their children's lives but the children are being moved about quite a lot.

Mothers on benefits don't concern me (that is another issue), couples on welfare who aren't declaring their true situation in order to gain profit from a small pool of council accomodation, does.

Sallyingforth Mon 25-Mar-13 14:08:00

My local council has put up posters on estates saying that it's illegal to sublet. That sounds very reasonable when there is such a long queue of would-be legitimate tenants. In your case I would certainly 'shop' them.

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 25-Mar-13 14:10:01

I doubt op knows anybody that does this, let alone 5 separate couples.
She read it in the Daily Mail probably.
It's an 'interesting' first post though.

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 14:10:42

With an interesting nn to match wink

AuntieMaggie Mon 25-Mar-13 14:10:56

I don't understand why a council would allow this... surely it contradicts the purpose of council housing?

Please report them. Only by people reporting people that are misusing these systems will anything ever get any better.

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 14:11:14

Tbf, my council allows this and I still don't know anyone who does it.

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:14:26

Do I call up about it and who do I ask to speak to?

Just to add, that the parents are quite stealthy, the money being made is used for Euro Disney, swimming, horse riding, nails, hair etc. Children are being taken to many activities. The older matriarchs in each council house, still cook their supper, do their washing and baby sit for them while the mothers go to coffee shops in respectable towns.

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:17:32

I genuinely do know these people. It does sound like something from the Daily Mail, doesn't it! I am astounded that they actually exist, what has interested me is the business like manner in which it's being done very well.
They have log books for the tenants.

archilles Mon 25-Mar-13 14:18:53

Maybe you should have used the title "people" rather than "mothers".

I would love to know how they were able to get a council house each, considering that they are as rare as hen's teeth now.

Still, if reporting them doesn't stop them I expect the bedroom tax will.

moogy1a I just wonder why people don't just report them rather than frothing here.
Personally, I get more pissed off with the dishonest "renting in catchment brigade" and the excuses people make for them, when to me, that is Fraudulent and clearly recognizable as such, but seems to be tolerated here. Whereas any mention of council house, benefits, lone mum and the self righteous frothers cannot trip over themselves fast enough to complain.

I live on a council estate and have never encountered one of these people who just cannot seem to help sharing their financial and domestic arrangements.

AmberLeaf Mon 25-Mar-13 14:18:58

Do you think that only single parents get council homes?

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:19:14

Given my, inept title, it's a good job that my nn has summarised the content more accurately. grin

UnChartered Mon 25-Mar-13 14:19:19

just call the local council and report them

let them sort it out

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 14:19:45

Surely if they were being stealthy they would be much more discreet about it?

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