To ask for one, simple, summary about all the angry SAHM threads.

(461 Posts)
catinboots Thu 21-Mar-13 22:26:49

Pleaseeee??

I haven't read them all - but there seem to be lots of SAHMs on here today, moaning that they won't eat help with child are costs.

Eh?

Have I missed some key piece of information? Have a got it wrong?

Surely the whole point of being a SAHP is so that you don't need childcare?..

ssd Thu 28-Mar-13 09:28:31

morethan -grin

impecunious - fair enough smile

impecuniousmarmoset Wed 27-Mar-13 23:14:57

I think deliberately using the term housewife to describe SAHMs when you know most SAHMs find the term insulting and defamatory is not fine. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to deliberately set out to goad and insult.

I admit I'm going partly on what I've read from Xenia on other threads. But if you're going to set up a stall which repeatedly condemns other women's life choices as dull-minded and uninteresting at best, and dangerous at worst, then you need to have your own house in order. Xenia no more has her house in order than any of the rest of us on here. I was pointing out that in such circumstances, sneering at SAHMS and calling them ill-educated and gin-soaked housewives is a bit rich, really.

morethanpotatoprints Wed 27-Mar-13 22:34:20

ssd.

I am so happy for him, and proud. He was always a bit odd, very bright but didn't reach his full potential. He has been hard work and finally diagnosed with Aspergers last year. I love him dearly but was really worried what would become of him. Just goes to prove there is hope for anyone. Apparently at interview they said he had good social skills and was a good communicator. I asked if he'd checked they had the right candidate grin

ssd Wed 27-Mar-13 22:29:42

good on him morethan!

morethanpotatoprints Wed 27-Mar-13 22:22:13

Xenia, is fine and entitled to her opinion. I rarely agree with her but certainly admire her determination and strength of character. grin

morethanpotatoprints Wed 27-Mar-13 22:18:48

My son is 18 and has just left his A level course, he will complete 1 AS level resit.
I am pleased he has finally done this as he wouldn't listen blar blar and has realised its not for him.
2 days ago he walked into town and an hour later has come back with a job in a call centre. Ok, not a fantastic career, but he is a good communicator, so who knows where this could lead.
I think I would tell any young person to do whats right for them, not whats expected.

mam29 Wed 27-Mar-13 20:50:50

Agree with wallinson on quite few things.

now days if go uni you need a masters or phd to get ahead which is lengthy and costly so mostly people with rich families.

Same as top internships slave labour in the city depends on wealthy parents.

Most of my uni freinds dont have fab jobs., living, inflation.is way higher than wages and the economy is shrinking as well as in private sector they decreasing public sector as lot of jobs in wales and north were created by labour,

Now we have work fare and so many people chasing each job.
Manufacturings sector affected by strength of currency and avaialibility of lending.As the banks now overly cautious.

so if theres no primary and secondry industries.
we relied to much on tertiary ie services, admin, call centred, banking and retail all of which are shrinking.

I know so many unemployed primary teachers as thats seen as good job pro rata many job share, term time only, great benefits.

The problem with uk is cost of housing, living and inflation is higher than wages and childcare most expensive in europe as we refuse to subsidise it in way other countries have.

I like xenia sure she has some odd veiws but has had her share of bad times , worked hard and done well for herself she never gives up and thats what you need in today,s job market drive, ambition, determination and no matter how many knock backs keep on.

i think cost higher education is mad now.

I wouldent know what to suggest to school leaver now.

FasterStronger Wed 27-Mar-13 19:19:51

I like Xenia's contribution.

ssd Wed 27-Mar-13 19:16:07

TBH I think thats a bit unfair. For all her success Xenia is just another woman, with most of the same reasons she comes on here as all of us.

I kind of think some people just need to communicate and whatever reason, sometimes theres no one there but the internet.

impecuniousmarmoset Wed 27-Mar-13 10:44:31

I find it odd that Xenia with all her power and supposed successful exciting life wastes so much time on the internet contributing to a chat site. I love MN but it is a massive time-sucking waste of energy. Nobody I know who has a genuinely successful and satisfying career and life spends much time on mn, and certainly not enough to unfailingly zero in on every single sodding WOHM/SAHM thread in order to sling a few insults about. I, on the other hand, don't have a satisfying career or life right now, which is why I piss about on here so much right now. When I'm happier and busier I don't come near the placesmile

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 21:15:35

I don't see what was wrong with that either. It would be a different story if there were a wealth of jobs out there that required higher skills, but all that has happened is that employers are now requiring even applicants for entry-level positions to have a degree, despite the fact that the job could easily be done by a school-leaver. So young people are shafted - in order to get a job even as mundane as typing out someone else's letters for a living, you need to work your arse off for a degree that you'll never use again that costs the equivalent of 5 year's worth of full-time work.

allnewtaketwo Tue 26-Mar-13 21:06:19

And now because so many people are doing degrees, they are costing a fortune. Not sure what was wrong with limiting access to the most academically able and funding it

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 20:51:32

So we all agree then!

I must admit I am mystified by the labour (and now tory) policy of giving degrees to everyone - did they really think that doing so would result in more graduate-calibre jobs magically becoming available, despite paying no heed to the terminal decline of UK industry?

FasterStronger Tue 26-Mar-13 20:31:18

I wrote that to wallision but agree with all new as well.

people with degrees who are working as fucking barrista is the consequence of labours policies.

FasterStronger Tue 26-Mar-13 20:29:57

I agree 100%. Germany values all sorts of skills.

allnewtaketwo Tue 26-Mar-13 20:29:34

Labour wanted everyone to go to university. So of course there are tons of graduates in shit jobs, it's not rocket science

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 20:19:21

The worst thing for the economy is the decline in manufacturing though - look at Germany as an example of how to get thing right. We aren't going to make any great shakes by churning out a generation of people with degrees who are working as fucking barristas.

FasterStronger Tue 26-Mar-13 19:53:49

Wallison 'of' and 'off', both of which appear to have passed you by

this is only Talk on MN not The Times! you are lucky if you get an 'o' and a number of 'f's.

I agree that we are not producing the right skills and qualifications. we are short of engineers and many technical skills which is bad for the economy.

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 19:39:35

Media studies is actually quite a useful and well-regarded degree. And at least it teaches people how to do things like punctuate and the difference between 'of' and 'off', both of which appear to have passed you by.

The expansion of higher education has led to things like law and forensic psychology and a whole host of other 'difficult' subjects producing far more graduates than there are jobs in the field. There is no point in having a nation of graduates coupled with a proliference of low paid service sector jobs, which is what is happening the UK now. All that it means is that you need a university degree in order to become an office junior. Fuck that.

FasterStronger Tue 26-Mar-13 12:40:39

they would not have to pay of the debt until their earnings rose.

And what course did they do, what grades did they get etc.

education is the answer, but that does not mean everyone needs a degree in photography or media studies.

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 12:31:22

Oh really? And is that because education is the answer to everything? Try telling that to graduates who will leave uni £50k in debt to go and work in a call centre while paying £500 pm for a room in a shared house.

FasterStronger Tue 26-Mar-13 12:15:14

well, the UK got rich exploiting the world, now the flow of cash out of the UK.

and I doubt any govt can change that. but I don't believe Ms&MrAverage are a helpless as you do.

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 11:56:01

You can have all the education you like, but in a low-wage economy with high costs of living where there is little protection for workers you will still struggle to keep a roof over your family's heads and food on the table.

Forty years ago, someone who left school at 16 working in a factory could provide for their family without state help. Ok so they might not have had the advantage of a university education, but at least they weren't living in a country where the average home costs 7x the average wage.

FasterStronger Tue 26-Mar-13 11:46:18

better opportunities for their DCs, made possible though education

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 11:30:52

It's all bullshit anyway, this aspiration nation crap. How can you have a nation of aspiring people when you are presiding over a low-wage economy? It's all very well to tell people to aspire but what are they aspiring towards? A minimum wage zero hours contract?

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