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UKIP are the new future?

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LadyPessaryPam Fri 01-Mar-13 22:30:45

Just a small positive thread about UKIP that doesn't involve smears from other parties. I was very glad about Eastleigh and pleased that the voters had seen through the smokescreens and disinformation sent out by the 3 main parties.

Latara Fri 03-May-13 12:53:26

Well, i disagree with bringing back hunting.

ClippedPhoenix Fri 03-May-13 13:50:23

They will be getting my vote, thats for sure.

Inertia Fri 03-May-13 13:56:49

UKIP are dreadful- though with a bit of luck they will split the Tory vote.

lljkk Fri 03-May-13 14:33:04

"I would like some answers as to why people think UKIP are sinister"

Can only speak for myself.
We were (among many) investors on a local community wind turbine project; a mutual one where anyone could invest and profit. The project leader knocked on about 60 doors of people living closest to the proposed site to ask about their feelings on the project, only one said to her face he opposed it (she is grateful for the honesty, actually); others were all positive about the project. 3 years of fund-raising & planning work later, a weather-mast went up to test conditions; vandalised and ruined after 4 weeks. Thereafter opposition self-organised arose over next 2.5 yrs, especially funded by a UKIP councillor who lives 12 miles away but opposes all wind turbine projects in the county. He co-wrote and twice distributed a leaflet full of exaggerated claims (lies) against the application (for a single Norman-Foster designed turbine on fields behind ugly disused industrial site at edge of town).

The project collapsed after the land-owner and his family were intimidated by neighbours (Thugs).

Vandals, Liars, Thugs and UKIP. They all go together in my mind.

pickledginger Fri 03-May-13 15:03:16

If the Lib Dems are those who can't quite see where they fit into the two main parties, UKIP are the ones who know they aren't welcome in the mainstream parties and wear it as a badge of honour.

You know the people who get kicked off PTAs etc for not playing nicely with others? These ones have set up their own club.

slug Fri 03-May-13 15:30:27

"I would like some answers as to why people think UKIP are sinister"

Their policy is to abolish maternity pay. Their solution would be for businesses to just not employ women of child bearing age.

flatpackhamster Fri 03-May-13 16:16:00

lljkk

Can only speak for myself.
We were (among many) investors on a local community wind turbine project; a mutual one where anyone could invest and profit. The project leader knocked on about 60 doors of people living closest to the proposed site to ask about their feelings on the project, only one said to her face he opposed it (she is grateful for the honesty, actually); others were all positive about the project. 3 years of fund-raising & planning work later, a weather-mast went up to test conditions; vandalised and ruined after 4 weeks. Thereafter opposition self-organised arose over next 2.5 yrs, especially funded by a UKIP councillor who lives 12 miles away but opposes all wind turbine projects in the county. He co-wrote and twice distributed a leaflet full of exaggerated claims (lies) against the application (for a single Norman-Foster designed turbine on fields behind ugly disused industrial site at edge of town).

The project collapsed after the land-owner and his family were intimidated by neighbours (Thugs).

Vandals, Liars, Thugs and UKIP. They all go together in my mind.

So you put together a project to help yourself to taxpayers' money and were upset that your opportunity for profit was denied by a public-spirited citizen who recognised that wind turbines are a colossal boondoggle which increases fuel poverty and is not a viable power solution.

giveitago Fri 03-May-13 16:27:19

I very much hope that UKIP are NOT the future given they seem to inflitrated by BNP.

I don't really get their policies - perhaps they don't have many.

musicmadness Fri 03-May-13 16:58:56

"I would like some answers as to why people think UKIP are sinister"

I don't think the party is sinister exactly, I agree with some of their points but disagree with enough key ones that I would never vote for them. It doesn't help that they seem to have a higher percentage of arseholes than the other parties, though I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt this time and assume it's because their popularity has grown so fast they just wanted to contest as many seats as possible and therefore didn't vet people properly.

Reasons why I won't vote for them:

They want out of the EU and I think it would be a disaster if we left completely. I'd be happy if we managed to stay in the economic area and nothing else but realistically I don't think that will happen, and I'd rather be fully in than fully out.

They are against gay marriage, which makes them an automatic no for me.

There policy on asylum seekers leaves me feeling quite cold TBH. They want people held in secure detention centres (ie prisons) and limited rights to appeal. It's completely dehumanising to lock up people coming in from terrible circumstances and I think it is a very dangerous road to go down. I can see "limited right to appeal" becoming "no right to appeal" very fast and the entire system would be open to corruption, which would end up costing people their lives. I've also heard that asylum could be stopped from certain countries UKIP deems safe (can't find this on their website though so I'm unsure how accurate it is), which is completely wrong as living in a country can be perfectly safe for one person and a death sentence for another depending on circumstances.

They want to double the amount of prison spaces, whereas I personally think we already imprison people who have committed relatively minor offences far too often. If we create more prison spaces it will just lead to more people being sent there for relatively small crimes that IMO can be better dealt with in the community.

I hate there environmental policies. They want to support coal and oppose wind farms, it's like they actively want to speed up the destruction of the environment! I could sort of understand it if they wanted to have both but they seem to be objecting to renewable sources being used at all.

That's from about 5 minutes googling for the exact policies so I could easily have missed something but honestly, I'd be pretty scared for the UKs future if UKIP ever got to power.

LineRunner Fri 03-May-13 17:03:38

Why does UKIP want to ban maternity pay? Does it know?

edwardsmum11 Fri 03-May-13 17:13:06

Protest vote tbh.

Julia Gasper, former UKIP candidate in my area, is on record as equating homosexuality with bestiality and paedophilia. Shortly after she published her views she demanded police protection since apparently the homosexual paedophile beast-lovers were going to come and get her.

Why on earth would I vote for a party who offer people like her as a candidate?

themaltesecat Fri 03-May-13 17:56:52

Cos grown-ups accept that other people may have different opinions on things, and not just the hive-mind "correct" one?

Sorry, are you talking to me, themaltesecat? I will not vote for someone with such vile views. I'm not going to validate her. Not when she's talking about some of the people I love most in the world in such horrible terms.

For the record I wouldn't vote for anyone like that, UKIP or no.

WMittens Fri 03-May-13 20:01:48

Just a small positive thread about UKIP that doesn't involve smears from other parties ... the smokescreens and disinformation sent out by the 3 main parties.

But includes smears against other parties?

Because of things like this and this, I will never vote UKIP. The example given by CommanderShepard (great username grin) just gives me even more reason to avoid them like the plague.

They are vile, homophobic and extremely bigoted. The fact that so many people are siding with them is extremely worrying - bad as the main three parties are, I think UKIP are probably worse, and that's saying something.

Fecklessdizzy Fri 03-May-13 20:47:36

Nah ... Crusty old farts wing of the EDF, next question?

LastTangoInDevonshire Fri 03-May-13 22:33:53

Well, if the main Parties had listened to the 'people' (as David Cameron is now saying he should have) then the 'people' would not have had to vote UKIP, would they?

Chipstick10 Fri 03-May-13 22:35:06

Yay go nige.

Wingdingdong Fri 03-May-13 22:41:53

Yes, protest vote. They wouldn't have had half the votes they got if they'd actually been serious players. Problem is that none of the serious players have serious manifestos/propositions... If there was a general election tomorrow I'd genuinely have to think bloody hard about who to vote for (and through a process of elimination rather than positive selection). It's really depressing.

VelvetSpoon Fri 03-May-13 22:47:51

All they're doing is picking up the disaffected Tory bigot vote, for whom 'Call me Dave' isn't racist/rightwing enough.

They are playing on people's insecurities and fears about the economy by making them hate 'immigrants'. As a descendant of immigrants myself (albeit 3 generations ago) it makes me deeply uncomfortable.

And the stuff about Julia Gasper above...I hadn't read that previously. Truly disgusting, what a horrible woman.

likeitorlumpit Fri 03-May-13 22:53:53

why is everyone saying ukip are a watered down bnp like its a bad thing .

lljkk Sat 04-May-13 18:35:58

Do you like the BNP, Likeit?

LineRunner Sun 05-May-13 13:47:55

The Sunday papers (I just had a look at the Times website) are saying that Farage would go in with the Tories! That he would do a coalition deal with the Tories if Cameron goes and Boris gets the job.

What a dick head.

Does he not realise that his core voters either are sick of the Tories or always hated them anyway?

SigmundFraude Sun 05-May-13 16:42:45

I voted UKIP at the local elections. Since then, I have been reading everything people on here have to say about UKIP and it's policies.

I have taken it all on board and have made the decision that at the next general election, I will be voting UKIP.

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