to think the police need to be occupied by more serious crimes

(82 Posts)
LittleTurtle Thu 28-Feb-13 16:05:24

Ok, so a while ago, a very close ex colleauge of mine told me that he was on his way, drunk from a party and saw a 'hooker' and curiosly asked her 'how much for a blow job' This is a popular hooker street. The girls said ' No I'm not a hooker, he ashamedly, profusely apolosised. So he walked on and three policemen, undercover came to him and handcuffed him for lewd behaviour etc. The took him to the police station and said he had a caution and took his fingerprints etc. though they say said his parents would no tnow about etc now is he is worried that he is a sex offender.

What worries me the most was that at the time he told me, I got a hit and run while 8 months pregnant. I crossed at a lights and some angry guy came rushing towards me even though the rules cleary state to not harrass someone already crossing lights. I was too shocked to take the full number plates and had a partial and a sign on his car. I then filled in a police report and was told because I did not have the full registration they could do nothing. But the next lights had a camera and I gave them the exact time I got hit and what time they coud see him in the previous and next camera. .

maddening Thu 28-Feb-13 16:08:22

Was it a camera that recorded all the time or just triggered if someone skips the lights on red though?

They're not related - sorry for what happened to you.

Your ex colleague deserves it, he's a fucking arsehole.

TheNebulousBoojum Thu 28-Feb-13 16:12:19

They need to tackle both incidents. By hit and run, were you actually struck or just menaced and intimidated by the aggressive motorist? They will have checked, if the camera was working. Perhaps there still wasn't enough evidence.
As for your ex-colleague, he was sexually harassing a woman in the street. I've been on the receiving end of that when I lived in rougher areas and it isn't a comfortable thing to endure. Hopefully he won't do it again.

littlemisssunny Thu 28-Feb-13 16:16:58

As you weren't with him at the time, and he was drunk, you only know his side, he's hardly going to admit if he was lewd.

Also regarding the hit and run maybe they couldn't help anymore if the cameras aren't recording or working, though I do think they could have handled it better. Though that could be the officer, in all jobs you get people who don't deal with things properly.

They are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. People complain about them giving out speeding tickets, yet if they didn't and people got away with it, people would complain about that too.

I think if you did the job for a day and saw the other side you might think differently.

ChairmanWow Thu 28-Feb-13 16:18:55

Sorry you had a bump. I hope you're okay. It is crap that nothing was done about it. I think there should be enough resources to deal with both incidents. Prostitution is can be extremely physically and psychologically damaging to the women involved. Street walkers are vulnerable to rape and assault and a very high percentage of them have drug problems. I don't see why police discouraging men from buying sex on the street is a bad thing (as long as it's hand in hand with support for the women, but that's a whole other debate).

Apart from that this woman may well have been very shaken by the encounter with your friend. When I was a student I lived near a red light district and this happened to me a couple of times and left me feeling extremely vulnerable.

Btw, 'curiously' asked how much for a blow job? hmm

CheeseandPickledOnion Thu 28-Feb-13 16:19:14

Completely different things.

I'm sure that man was just curios! hmm Completely serves him right, he approached a prossie and was ticketed for it.

As someone else said, there's a big possibility that the camera doesn't record continuously. Were you actually hit? Or just intimidated?

TheNebulousBoojum Thu 28-Feb-13 16:22:45

'He approached a prozzie' CheeseandPickledOnion?

She denied being one, as did I on the numerous occasions I was asked my price and had lewd suggestions made to me. I'm delighted the police cautioned him and that he's worried about it. Perhaps my daughter will not have the same experiences.

LittleTurtle Thu 28-Feb-13 16:23:56

I was infact hit on the leg by the car, had a scar on my leg, and went to the hospital immediately after. I did not fall down though so it could have been seen as minor.

The hooker stret is a street known to me and has lots of hookers. I thought this was a decision made between adults as an agreement.

Shesparkles Thu 28-Feb-13 16:25:28

Your ex colleague won't be on any sex offenders register because he's not been convicted of anything.
However, thru my work, I have a small amount of knowledge of what effect prostitutes and kerb crawlers have on normal decent people....children coming across people engaged in sex acts, young girls being propositioned just for walking down a street-just like your friend did, condoms and other items in their gardens and on their doorsteps, and so it goes on.
Kerb crawling/soliciting is a serious crime, the force I work for has a team constantly dedicated to it, and are only scratching the surface. I hope to hell your friend has learned from his experience.

As for the hit and run, it's tough but the vehicle going through the next set of lights, even with you having all the times etc, would be ripped apart in a court.
I hope you were ok, it's hard enough when something like that happens, but at 8 months pregnant it must have really shaken you.

Shesparkles Thu 28-Feb-13 16:27:20

Paying for sex is legal. What's not legal is soliciting by the prostitute, and the propositioning by the man

TheNebulousBoojum Thu 28-Feb-13 16:27:20

I'm sorry you were injured, it wasn't clear from your OP. Did you get any other feedback from the police after you'd told them about the camera?

I'd be really upset if someone approached me and asked me how much a blow job was. I think that is quite a serious crime. Your friend was a dickhead and deserves what he got.

I'm sorry about your hit and run, that should have been investigated properly but they are two different issues.

FarelyKnuts Thu 28-Feb-13 16:32:11

If he received a caution then he has not been charged with anything. He therefore is not a registered or convicted sex offender.
And hooker? Its called sex work. And apparently she was not a sex worker anyway. Personally if I was being harassed in the street I would hope the police didn't have "better things to do"!

He either:

Sexually harassed a woman in the street.
Propositioned a prostitute for sex.
Curiously asked a prostitute for a price not intending to pay her.

The first is illegal and unpleasant. The second; ditto. The third is nasty and misogynist. I'm glad he was cautioned. Also, the fact that he was ashamed and profusely apologised implies he thinks it's OK to be lewd and harassing to women as long as they are prostitutes.

LittleTurtle Thu 28-Feb-13 16:41:13

As selfish as it may seem cause it happened to me, but I think the guy driving a car into me would have killed me and my baby and so am mad that no one did anything about it. I did tell the police in the original report that I was pregnat and can they look in the next lights but they did not seem to the boythered. I checked online and saw there were cameras there, and told them as such but they did not care.

I just feel that a guy asking another adult about mutual sex should be less of an offence than this potential manslaughter. My child could have been disabled because of this asshole.

LittleTurtle Thu 28-Feb-13 16:42:35

By the way, I think the girl was with the police.

FreyaSnow Thu 28-Feb-13 16:49:31

A caution does go on your criminal record. To get a caution, you have to agree that you have committed an offence and sign to say you did it and are accepting the caution. I don't know how such an offence would be viewed if you applied for certain jobs, but a person who has a caution has to declare it when they have a CRB check at work.

The fact is that, upsetting as it was, you weren't killed, your baby was fine, no one is disabled as a result.

For all your friend knew, that woman in the street was a rape survivor or a recent asylum seeker who was tortured by men where she lived or is fleeing abuse.

If you start the 'what ifs' you could go anywhere with them.

TheNebulousBoojum Thu 28-Feb-13 16:50:38

I'd be furious too if someone had potentially almost killed me and my baby, and obviously the police didn't make you feel that everything that could be done was being done. How long ago was this, have you had your baby? Is everything going well?

The fact that the motorist should be banned from driving for life and convicted of causing injury doesn't change the fact that your colleague was an arse.

TheNebulousBoojum Thu 28-Feb-13 16:51:39

'The fact is that, upsetting as it was, you weren't killed, your baby was fine, no one is disabled as a result'

What about the next person he encounters?

LittleTurtle Thu 28-Feb-13 16:52:57

As he never committted any crime in his life he was scared enought to just to just say yes.

LittleTurtle Thu 28-Feb-13 16:54:25

What about the next person is exactly what I thought.

But the Police can't treat every assault, for example, as an attempted murder even though that could be the result of any assault. I'm not saying the hit and run shouldn't be treated VERY seriously, it should. But you can't do a what if on everything.

And, your friend DID do something serious and he should be scared. Perhaps he won't sexually harass women in the street again.

MonthlyNeedsToTakeHerTime Thu 28-Feb-13 16:57:25

Imagine if someone posted on here that they were waiting to be picked up, and some drunken man staggered over to them, made them feel really uncomfortable as their personal space was invaded, then asked "how much for a blow job?" I'm sure the replies would be different, he could have terrified the woman that they were about to be assaulted. Deserved being picked up by the police. You only have his story,he could have drunkenly lurched at her for all you know.

Sorry you got run over, but unrelated, yes they should have investigated it more, but doesn't cancel out your drunk college

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