to be a bit in love with Ricky Gervais?!

(142 Posts)
potsyandco Wed 27-Feb-13 22:37:35

Watching Making of Derek. I love Derek. It's caring, heartfelt, poignant and funny.

Ricky Gervais is funny, clever and caring (yes, I really do think that!) and not bad looking (even more shocking, I know!)

So, AIBU? I presume I'm alone in this one...

smile

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 15:16:44

What an utterly unbelievable attitude

No, what's more "unbelievable" and depressingly common on Mumsnet is an inability to look at things in context and to shriek about it for years to come.

Who gives a fuck why he apologised. He did & that's that.

He still pulls the stupid faces thing and lots of other people are doing the same. It's got nothing to do with taking the "piss" out of anyone - except himself.

But I suppose the permanently offended (usually on other people's behalf) have to get their validation from somewhere, and this really is the perfect site for that. So carry on talking bullcrap, don't mind me.

seeker He didn't, he said so. I think his reluctance to apologise might have to do with the fact that he was getting tweets hoping he would die of cancer. But this is, in fact, in the past and you have no justification whatsoever in throwing around the term "disablist". By doing so you are demeaning the word in much the same way as people who overuse the word "racist" and "sexist" do.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 15:18:22

but 'idiot' doesn't tend to be hurled around as an abusive term against disabled people, words like 'mong' and 'retard' do.

LottieJenkins Thu 28-Feb-13 15:20:23

EllieArroway biscuit

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 15:24:22

Oh and I wont "move on" because i have several friends who have Downs Syndrome and i will stick up for them till the day i die!

Oh drop the holier than thou attitude please. That you think this hysterical over reaction TWO YEARS LATER over one fecking tweet is helping matters at all is woefully naive.

Lessons can't actually be learned unless you actually learn from them and move on. RG has and so should everyone else.

EllieArroway Thu 28-Feb-13 15:25:22

Gosh - intelligent rebuttal, Lottie.

I'm wounded hmm

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 15:26:10

Not these days no - but idiot did used to be used in that way. In the States 'retard' is interchangeable with idiot and is used in the same jokey way so the meaning of words does change. I think if I asked one of my classes of 16 year olds what does 'mong' mean, they would no more associate it with Downs than they would associate the word idiot with Downs.

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 15:27:09

Idiot isn't used as an insult? Are you sure?

Are you going to stop using it now you know the original definition? Are you going to issue an official apology to us all for using it.

Or is that totally ridiculous?

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 15:27:19

Cretin in another word which people happily use to insult each other nowadays - the derivation this word is not squeaky clean either.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 15:28:26

BtE I can't actually work out what your points are at all.

headinhands Thu 28-Feb-13 15:32:13

Was so impressed with 'Derek', found a real gem there I think. Absolute genius.

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 15:33:41

ellie.

Do you think that isn't a very disablist term?

That it isn't a very big deal to use that term?

Or, that so much time has passed it doesn't matter anymore, and there's a sort of shelf life on being offended?

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 15:35:05

I'm agreeing that the definition of words change, and that WE ALL use words with offensive etymology.

I think Ricky Gervais was stupid - an idiot in fact - to use it on Twitter. But in no way did I take it to mean 'I bloody hate people with Downs Syndrome and I just can't hold back from telling you all.'

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 15:54:33

I know that 'idiot' is used as an insult, but I don't think it is used as an insult specifically against and with reference to a person with learning disabilities, in the same way mong and retard is (and in America there is a campaign to try to stop the common usage of retard as an insult - the r word.

zzzzz Thu 28-Feb-13 16:01:50

Binks perhaps you find the word less offensive because you don't identify with it on a personal level?

A more universally offensive term might be referring to women as "whores". Very few people find this ok, they are closely related to women.

This particular term is about a small, vulnerable section of society, we should be more sensitive and more careful as a result.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 16:06:02

Thanks for the clarification Binks. I agree.

ouryve Thu 28-Feb-13 16:07:10

YABU.

Seriously.

Less than a year ago, he was defending his use of the word "mong"

ouryve Thu 28-Feb-13 16:09:46

And OK, so that's already been brought up in this thread, but I blocked him a few months back, on Twitter, because I was sick of seeing his shite re-tweeted.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 16:09:51

"seeker He didn't, he said so"

grin

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 16:13:37

"
Or, that so much time has passed it doesn't matter anymore, and there's a sort of shelf life on being offended?"

There is no shelf-life on being offended on Mumsnet grin

BinksToEnlightenment Thu 28-Feb-13 16:15:45

I haven't said anything about my own feelings on the word. I also said that he shouldn't have used it.

There isn't a certain period of time that passes before a word stops meaning one thing and starts meaning another. It's a gradual crossover. This one can be interpreted in a few different ways. The fact that he said he didn't mean it that way is enough for me.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 16:17:54

Didn't you know you can't be offended by anything on mumsnet without being accused of 'shrieking' and being 'professionally/permanently offended'.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 28-Feb-13 16:20:30

Oh come on, hazeyjane. You must admit that Mumsnet does have the monopoly on offended posters. It's a running joke so it must have a grain of truth in it. wink

I don't care who's offended by what tbh. I maintain that you have a right to be offended by things. I maintain that others have a right not to be.

seeker Thu 28-Feb-13 16:22:09

The thing is, "mong" hasn't even started its transition to everyday insult. It's not even in a grey area. It would be instant grounding if I heard ds use it. So ther is no way that RG didn't know it was offensive. No way.

hazeyjane Thu 28-Feb-13 16:22:45

Did he forget that the word had been used in relation to people with Down's Syndrome in his programme Extras, also I wonder what this face (half way down the page) reminds you of, because it reminds me of the face people used to make when they called people a 'spaz' or 'joey'.

countrykitten Thu 28-Feb-13 16:23:09

ouryve you blocked RG on twitter? He must have been devastated!

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