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to think that maybe after all I am just a lazy arsed cow?(40 Posts)
Dh and I both work FT. He teaches and so see's the DC far more than me ie he collects them from the CM and looks after them during the holidays.
I work FT and get home at 6pm. I have 5 weeks holiday.
He had a fit at me tonight after an incident with DS2 at about 9pm ref a dirty nappy. Basically he shouted that he does most of the childcare and that yes I should change DS2 after I had said 'Shall I do it or will you?'
I am rather bewildered tbh. I do all the cooking and tidying up and while we both work hard it seems quite an even balance to me. The only issue I suppose is that the DC have always wanted 'Daddy' to do stuff when they are tired and so to avoid a tantrum 'Daddy' does whatever, like cleaning DS2's teeth and putting his PJ's on. The other thing is that I get up at 7.30am as I have to be out at 8.30 with the DC whereas DH gets up at 6.30 as he has to be out at 7.30. Some of that time will be with the DC if they are up.
This 'thing' has been going on for years with DH. I always have the sense that I am not quite doing enough, that my job is way easier than his, that he really draws the short straw.
I am very confused and would love to know if IABU about being upset that, despite me working FT and missing loads with my DC who are 3 and 7, I am still not somehow pulling my weight.
Writing this all down now looks silly as we are both obv tired but this inbalance between how hard we work has been going on for years and I am fed up.
I don't blame him for getting arsy to be honest....i would have just changed the nappy...why did you have to ask who should do it?
Getting home at 6 isn't that late. Start taking some pressure off him re the kids..maybe get him to do dinner whilst you bath them or whatever and get some sort of balance back so they don't just ask him to do everything.
fair enough and no 6 isn't late. I did change the nappy but since we had just finished the dinner that I had cooked after us both doing the boys bath I thought I would ask me or you. Esp since I knew I would be doing the clearing up and dishwasher.
But you are right, I will ask him to do dinner and I will sit on my arse facebooking. Sounds a much fairer deal to me.
If the DC are likely to tantrum if he doesn't do x, y and z with them, he's probably feeling pressured. You should both try to address that.
But you are right, I will ask him to do dinner and I will sit on my arse facebooking. Sounds a much fairer deal to me.
Ah, so he resents you and what you do/don't do, and you resent him and what he does/doesn't do? Fantastic!
If you have the sense that you are not doing enough and he is snapping at you then yes you probably are not doing enough.
However, in the larger scheme of things, there will always be short tempers with parents working FT and small children so do try and be tolerant of snappy behaviour during this difficult time and just do what it takes to get you through as a family. DS2 is 3 so it should all get much easier soon.
Agree with Betty - perhaps you can take on the DCs couple of evenings a week with him doing the cooking/tidying up to even things out.
Good luck - you are not really U - you both just sound a bit tired and fed up which is understandable.
we are both so tired come bed time for the DC that it is much easier to say fine Dad do it for DS2 than to have the ensuing tantrum which will mean Dad does it anyway. It's only the 3yo who is like this, but yes maybe it is time to burst that particular bubble.
I think this is all compounded by the fact that I don't see the DC nearly as much as I want to, so by throwing 'who does the most childcare' at me really hurts. I would LOVE to be home for 4pm like he is and see the DC for a few hours before be
I think the issue is that as a family we just don't have enough time during the working week. I would NOT recommend both parents working FT if you can possibly avoid it. It puts horrible pressure on a family.
Ref taking the DC out for the evening. After 6pm there is little you can do with 2 small children which won't make them even more tired. We used to have a gym night twice a week each but found that it meant late nights i.e. everyone not home until after 8pm 4 nights a week, and that in itself put pressure on.
And Mok the problem is I don't know how to do more. When I get home it is straight into homework, bath, tidying up, bedtime and then I cook dinner and tidy up. I'm not sure what else I could do. But I am made to feel as though I am not pulling my weight
This isn't a criticism of you, OP, but as a teacher it is difficult to explain, even to a partner who sees it, how bloody stressful and demanding teaching is as a job.
SMT, Ofsted, Govt, etc are all putting increasing demands and stress on teachers and the paperwork, planning, marking, target setting, AFL initiatives, etc, etc, etc are endless. If he is up at 6.30 am, does a full day's teaching, and then comes home to deal with DCs I can see why by 9.00pm he might just lose it. There are days when, if I'm honest, I don't want to SEE another bloody child - not even my own. Days when collecting them, entertaining them, bath, story, bed, etc just seem like the last thing I can cope with. When you devote so much of your time, energy and enthusiasm to other people's children sometimes you have absolutely nothing left for your own - or for your partner.
I don't have a solution, I'm afraid. Just that I can understand if he feels overwhelmed sometimes.
In what world is a teacher home by 4pm? None I know of. Could there be resentment that he is compromising his work prospects by having to be back for 4pm?
Do you both need to work full time? Can a cleaner or someone pick up slack. Can you each have a night off duties during the week and a layin each weekend? As a teacher does he need to work in the evenings too?
Or au pair? Something or someone will have to give as you both sound exhausted and like you're not enjoying life anymore and struggling.
That too about teaching. I'm trying to weigh up going back vs work life balance. If I had to teach full time I'd have to know my husband was able to pick up slack in the evening! I was exhausted after a non stop day teaching even before children. I'm not sure I was ever home by 4 either.
so I can entirely understand why he is worn out and I do sympathise with him and take the pressure off where I can. ie I often tell him to take himself out for a few hours and have some space. And he does.
What gets me is the almost total disregard for how hard I work and how difficult I find it not seeing my dc for more than and hour a day during the working week.
It sounds tit for tat but he has been like this forever and even my fairly difficult job as a solicitor in a global law firm pre dc was a walk in the park compared to his.
There is no solution btw, I just needed to know if IWBU, and maybe I'm not. I may just be a lazy arsed git . I feel as though I kill myself at work every day only to be told I'm lazy really
I don't think you're lazy but just that you're both doing too much to cope easily. When you're tired and stressed its much easier to lash out at each other.
DH has a role where he can leave at 3.10pm and collect the DC by 4pm. He rarely needs to work in the evening. We both need to work FT. I was made redundant 3 years ago and DH in particular is terrified of it happening again, so I need to work FT. Besides we couldn't pay the mortgage without 2 FT salaries
We have a cleaner and have no family near so only have each other to look after the DC.
TBH I don't enjoy term time at all, it's one hard slog until the next holiday. I didn't work for 18 months and we had soooo much time. Although I was bored and DH was scared about money/the house
CanI thats just it. We are doing too much, but we have no other option. Most of the time we are fine, but tonight he really shouted and I didn't know how to deal with it.
I think you just need to recognise that you're both tired and under pressure. Competitive parenting is really depressing and helps no-one. It is very easy to fall into this trap while the children are young though.
Could you book a holiday for Easter? Or plan a weekend away? It sounds like you both could do with a break.
thanks Cheddar we have a week in the UK visiting family booked for Easter and a week in France in the summer. I just wish day to day life was a bit easier
Funnys I think he is being unfair to you really.
Can you weigh up leisure time per day? So while you are doing dinner, if he really is sat on his arse then when do you get that equivalent time?
Looking at the real problem, which is a lack of time, what can you do to solve it? Is there any way that one of you can make enough career headway to allow the other to cut hours and therefore free up some time?
I would have to say - there are plenty of threads on here where the mother does more of the hands-on stuff with the DC and says 'they are more used to me and have a tantrum if dad tries to do it so it's easier just for me to get on with it'. Those posters are almost invariably told that that will not solve the problem and that they have to work towards getting a better split where either mum or dad can do bedtime. So I really think that on this issue, that's also what you should do, and 'burst that particular bubble' as you put it yourself, with your 3 yo.
The competitive tiredness in general is another thing entirely. It sounds like neither job is ideal but yours in particular needs sorting out. You say you work very hard. Maybe you need to look for something that allows you a bit more rest.
Rota? Actually sit and divide the work so it's a fair split, you factor in some time off each and some time together not working/doing chores?
That way it's mutually agreed so there can be no accusatons of unfairness, just a joint understanding of ploughing through the tiredness.
You need to do something as constant resentment can poison a marriage.
On the FT front is the any way to downgrade your lifestyle to allow a 4 day week? Even as drastic as a smaller house/mortgage. Life isn't meant to be just about working though I understand if that just isn't possible
Maybe you could mix up the jobs a bit? One day you get in and take over the kids and he cooks. Then you both clear up, one puts the kids to bed and the other sticks the washing machine on. Or however the timings work on your house.
My children are older, I finish at gone 5, collect one from after school club, get home at 6 and start the meal. Because I have short working hours my husband has the luxury of not having to leave work at a certain time. Once he's home (and he does try to get home by at a reasonable time) we both pitch in until everything is done.
I always come on these threads and say: it is irrelevant who does the most of one particular sort of job, it's about who has the most leisure time. He does more childcare because you work longer hours. As long as, when you do come home, you two are still splitting what needs to be done (ie one is cooking, one is supervising homework, one is doing bath while the other cleans the kitchen), it has to be fair.
HOWEVER. I do notice that in couples where everybody is at their limit, the very fact of always being responsible for one type of chore tends to burn people out. So perhaps if you two swapped for a bit it would take some of the pressure off? I mean, clearly, neither of you are lazy. But he's sick of doing the bulk of the childcare, and you can't love doing all the cooking and cleaning every night, surely?
So how about, when you get home, you're on kid duty until bedtime, all of it (bath, nappy, bedtime rituals etc) and he cooks and cleans up after?
Yabu. You saw the nappy needed to be changed. You should have just changed it. Is it so rigid that you won't change it because it's his job? He won't tidy up because it's your job?
mynew no it's not like that at all. We both share the childcare when we are both at home but the fact is I am at home less than him and so inevitably he does more childcare. What we usually do is just do what needs to be done until all the chores are finished then we eat dinner etc. If a child needs something and we are both at the end of our teathers then we usualy look at one another and say 'shall I do it or will you'. Which is exactly what I said last night however he got the wrong end of the stick and thought I was telling him to do it.
I think the suggestions of swapping some of our jobs about is a good one and will give it a try.
There is no real possibility of reducing hours etc. We did both go part time when DS1 was small and it was great, but then I lost my job and it all went tits up and DH had to go back FT. I know that no matter how tired DH will not consider doing that again esp in the current recession.
Ah well, I have come to the conclusion that in our current circs these things will come to a head every now and again and because there isn't a solution then I will just have to suck it up. He can be quite emotional and liable to the odd rant which I know, so I just have to accept that is who he is and get on with it I think.
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