to think teaching isn't the idea career for mums?

(217 Posts)
alisunshine29 Wed 27-Feb-13 14:25:10

I'm studying for a degree at the moment and had planned to complete my PGCE afterwards but since speaking to the mum of DD's friend I've changed my mind. She's a teacher at the same school as her daughters and they go to breakfast club from 8 and after school club til. 6. She said they are in bed for 7 and then she has a couple of hours more work to do every night, plus a days worth at the weekend. She gets to attend nativity etc but only because they're at the same school otherwise she'd miss those events. AIBU to think a 9-5 job might actually be more practical?

blackbirdatglanmore Sun 30-Jun-13 17:26:49

God, how rude!

Feenie Sun 30-Jun-13 17:31:28

Sorry, what's rude? confused

blackbirdatglanmore Sun 30-Jun-13 17:39:18

You don't think telling someone you don't even know and whose teaching you don't know the first thing about that they haven't planned properly is a bit rude? Really? hmm I'm not going to bother getting into the silly sniping and one-upmanship as I am hiding the thread now. Obviously, as a secondary teacher I don't have to do reports confused

Feenie Sun 30-Jun-13 18:06:39

Only you seem to be seeing this perceived oneupmanship - it's a perfectly valid question, how can lesson planning a year in advance work, when you don't know how a class will progress? confused

EvilTwins Sun 30-Jun-13 18:26:22

I am serious, blackbird - I am a secondary HOD, and other than knowing an outline of the year, at this point, I cannot plan. I don't yet know next year's timetable, and know from experience that even if I did, I would have no way of knowing how quickly a group of, say Yr 9s, would progress through a scheme of work in comparison to this year's or last year's groups.

Take umbridge if you like, but I fail to see how you can plan at this stage, unless you're not doing a particularly good job of it.

ReallyTired Sun 30-Jun-13 18:36:39

I haven't read the thread, but the total lack of flexbility of term time working makes teaching difficult to combine with a family. Teachers do have fanastic holidays, but in someways its easier to have 25 days which you can choose than 13 weeks which are fixed.

It is next to impossible to take time off for yourself being sick, yet alone children. Teachers need wrap around care as much as anyone. Teachers tend to start work at 8am and often have evening commitments, meetings, marking and planning to do after school.

Although its expensive, most people can find childcare for the holidays quite easily.

Salbertina Sun 30-Jun-13 18:40:10

Holiday childcare easily? No way!! Not once they're at school! Its an absolute logistical nightmare of boxing and coxing, even the sports schemes tend to be say 9-3 at most; how to commute to/from your average 830-6 office job with that?

SprinkleLiberally Sun 30-Jun-13 18:44:56

I know dozens of people in well paid 9 to 5 jobs and am married to one too. I know three people who routinely work longer than that but they all earn £100k plus so a bit different.
I am secondary and work every night and weekend, as do most colleagues with a couple of subject specific exceptions. This is after 20 years. No real gained time and no planning for next year. Think it depends on your school and management. If a school likes to innovate, has a mixed intake and monitors everything, the workload is high.
Having said all that I do think it can work well for a family purely because of the holiday. As long as you can do it well which not everyone can.

ReallyTired Sun 30-Jun-13 19:31:05

Salbertina

There are plenty of high quality holiday schemes around the country like Barracudas or Supercamps that offer daycare during the holidays. The only problem is that it costs an absolute fortune.

Many people do not want to pay huge sums of money for a decent holiday camp for their children. Often it is not profitable to work holidays if you have two or more chidlren.

Salbertina Sun 30-Jun-13 19:36:49

Thanks, RT, yes have heard of those but nowhere near us and its filling say 4 weeks up of the 6 week hol which gets tricky.

mirry2 Sun 30-Jun-13 19:58:07

Where are these non teaching jobs where you can choose your holidays without reference to the rest of the team you work with? Nearly everyone want to take holidays at Christmas, easter and during the summer holidays, when their children are on holiday - who can take which days has to be negotiated. I often lost out when i wanted to take time off to see a nativity play or a concert, simply because other members of the team wanted to take the same time off and we couldn't all be off at the same time

Blu Sun 30-Jun-13 20:06:54

Perhaps it all depends on what career the Dad has?

What is the ideal career for Dads?

tourdefrance Sun 30-Jun-13 20:34:16

Lol at 25 days to take when I want. Yes for the first few years you can have off season holidays but once the dc are at school holidays are out of term only. As I explain to dc1 having a holiday in term time would just mean more time in a holiday club in the holidays. An extra unnecessary cost. Around here Supercamps runs in the summer only and all the other holidays are a juggling act of splitting leave, grandparents and all day play dates at friends houses.

AmberSocks Sun 30-Jun-13 20:36:13

dhs family are all teachers and from what ive seen its an awful job for parents,too much work for too little pay.

EarthtoMajorTom Sun 30-Jun-13 20:47:49

It's a crap job, you aren't paid anything like enough for the hours and during term time you have no weekends, your kids (depending on age) don't understand why you are at home yet still working and unable to give them attention, and I wish I'd never retrained to do it. Primary teaching especially is a job for young, single energetic people (and Heads like them because they are cheap).
The best job in a school is being the receptionist.
Yes I'm bitter.

ReallyTired Mon 01-Jul-13 16:07:07

I think a lot depends on what kind of career you pick. Some jobs like say computer programming lend themselves to flexible working more than others.

"The best job in a school is being the receptionist. "

The best job is IT support in a school. You can get time off by flexible working. Ie. they want you to fix the server in the evening and only will give you off time in lieu. Alas my job no longer exists, but it was good while it lasted.

ReallyTired Mon 01-Jul-13 16:17:29

I think if I was going to retrain I would become a speech and language theraphist. There are some SLT term time only jobs with schools hours.

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