ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT: This thread hasn't been posted on for a while.
AIBU to fucking hate the stuff?
I have seen young people change from ambitious, clever intelligent people to gormless idiots who don't give a shit about anything.
And I hate that my do smokes it
I particularly despise this homegrown shite which seriously fucks you up.
Why oh why do people use it?
And AIBU to tell dp not to have anything to do with it any more or is that me being too bossy/controlling?
Well I've just learned something new. Had no idea what Skunk was, but am assuming that that is what they have next door to me,then, because it STINKS!!!! It is a disgusting ,nauseating smell.
Ah, but the lovely nice dealers you buy from buy from other dealers who do sell to kids. And probably buy and sell a lot more than the weed you use.
It's like businessmen who use cocaine in the comfort of their own homes, who get it delivered by nice respectable men in suits - it's still supporting the drugs/gang culture.
I'm not condemning everyone who has the odd joint - what I am saying is that it is not a harmless drug, and those of you who use it and have come to no harm should be just a little more sympathetic and understanding of those who innocently thought that they could do the same, but find that it takes over their lives.
I also have a serious biscuit/chocolate/coffee habit . And I've recently been trying to buy more fairtrade because of reading that the coffee/chocolate production isn't unlike cocaine production from the workers' point of view. And I do understand the "something just to relax me at the weekend" theory, but I think those people who use drugs (whether it be cannabis, cocaine or anything else) shouldn't minimise the harm the individual drug, and the entire system does to so many.
DH will use it maybe once a year, when he has a lads night, or additionally if he has this one friend of his over who is addicted to the stuff. I hate it, but DH is not my "property" and I will never force him to give up something which is obviously not an addiction. However he is forbidden to smoke it when I'm around, or inside our house, or when we have the children.
Can I just say, we stoners are not all terrible people!
I'm sure there's plenty of idiots that do it, just like with other things, but some of us are just minding our own business and chilling in a evening. Alike to many people that have a couple of glasses of wine.
Yes kids doing it is terrible, and all the dealers I use would never sell to kids. They also just do it to fund their own smoke.
Some of us are just plodding along in life, holding together a family, home, decent etc.
I'm not trying to cause a row, and I'm sure many people ruin their lives doing many different things, but we are not all the same. Suppose its all about priorities, our bills are paid, children want for nothing and everyone's happy with their lot.
The main problem I have is with biscuit consumption!
Yes, I suspect what ds and his friends call weed is actually skunk .
Skunk is in my opinion a completely different drug to resin/normal grass. It is processed to be much, much stronger and has been linked to mental health conditions. I wish drugs education would highlight this fact because people lump skunk and other types of marihuana into the same category which is at best misleading and at worst dangerous.
Skunk is unfortunately the weed of choice amongst young people generally now. It really is different to the normal types of weed/resin. One way to tell if it is skunk is that it is very pungent indeed and also whacks people out in a way other types of normal weed/resin don't.
You know, it would have been nice to say "I'm sorry about your dsd" to Keep rather than telling her to keep her knickers on.
I doubt anyone would comment on someone who was worried about an alcoholic dsd by saying "keep your knickers on, I know someone who drinks and has a successful life, heroin is much worse you know".
A bit of manners and some sympathy never go astray.
No-one here, in this entire thread has said that alcohol is safe, or that alcohol doesn't cause problems. I have said a number of times that if alcohol was currently illegal no-one would be campaigning to make it legal or to make it more available or setting up websites to convince others that it is a harmless drug.
Skunk is far worse, its like weed++++
Weed was a mild drug that turned people into boring idiots. Skunk can cause massive permanent mental health problems, is highly addictive and yes, stinks to high heaven.
Keep she is probably dealing
Greensleeves, I didn't mean to down-play alcoholism, but of my two dcs and one dsd and their friends, drinking seems to be done at the weekends, but weed smoking appears to be daily/ongoing. I know some of them may give up weed, and some of the drinkers may become alcoholics, but the devastation caused to my dsd's life has been very rapid. So I may be slightly biased about weed.
Well, she calls it weed, but sometimes she smells a bit weird. Is it much worse? Cheaper? I'm not sure where she gets the money for it, she can't even be bothered to claim jobseekers.
I'm no apologist for weed btw. But I do think alcohol is far more damaging in its short and long-term effects. There is a bit of a tendency on demon-weed threads for alcoholism to be down-played in contrast.
Knickers, was your daughter smoking skunk by any chance? It is not the same as normal hash/weed.
I meant only to cite the difference between them - not all weed and alcohol users. I don't know all weed and alcohol users, and didn't mean to claim to.
you cited them as evidence of the difference between weed and alcohol users, i your last post
Where did I claim them to be a representative group?!
That's daft Keepyourknickers
I have a friend who is mid-40s, successful teacher (HOD etc) - has smoked weed regularly since college
I have a friend who went to top schools, top uni, had a great job, wife 'n' two veg etc - is now jobless, homeless and known to the police because he's a drunk.
Your daughters are not a valid representative group for comparing alcohol with weed!
I have a 19yo dsd who has smoked weed for 3rys, she is jobless, homeless and known to the police.
I also have a 19yo dd who drinks, she is at university.
Wrt the debate that compares aggression in drinkers with that of smokers - I have never seen aggression as frightening as dsd when she is unable to access weed (hence her homeless situation).
I agree with Maryz that one day the truth will come out about this horrific life wasting drug.
Well at the risk of sounding patronising, can I just say Ellie and Maryz that it's bloody refreshing on here to see two people disagree with each other and debate a pretty sensitive issue from opposite viewpoints, and still remain respectful and even affectionate towards each other. I wish more Mumsnet debates were like this!
I personally really don't like the stuff for a number of reasons. I made some very dangerous decisions and serious mistakes as a young teenager under the influence of cannabis, some of which still have repercussions in my life today, although I concede that these were probably also strongly influenced by the kind of people I was hanging around with (much older, predatory men and criminals, for starters).
I hate the fact that even "innocent" recreational drug use contributes to a much wider web of violence, coercion, criminality, intimidation and fear, but I've seen people get properly flamed for espousing such views here, so I won't labour the point.
As a teacher, I regularly see strong connections between cannabis misuse and dysfunction and disconnection in the lives of both parents and pupils.
I grew up in Sweden, where the anti-cannabis message was incredibly strong and clear in the 80s and 90s; kids "knew" that 1 in 8 of people who experimented with cannabis would be likely to experience some kind of episode of mental ill health, and we grew up believing firmly that cannabis was merely a stepping stone to heroin misuse. True or not, but a powerful deterrent to most.
And as for the point you make, Branleuse (funny, last time I referred specifically to something you'd contributed I was in awestruck agreement, so this is refreshing ), my DP has suffered intermittently and periodically from all of the predicaments you list, and the one thing which is sure to compound (or bring on a bout of) the problem is, without a shadow of a doubt, having a smoke. He has learnt this from bitter experience, hanging out with our dudey neighbour...
Oh boy, I could go ON about this stuff, but think I'll stop now.
id rather anxious people had a smoke instead of a valium. id rather insomniacs had a smoke instead of a temazepam. Id rather a depressed person tried a smoke before trying prozac.
its quite often not even recreational. its just one of those things that gets you through the day.
If you're lucky enough to not Need a little helping hand sometimes, or you need a helping hand but have different coping mechanisms to whoever sits next to you, i just don't see how its fair to judge.
Hmm. I just wanted to say that there are large numbers amongst those with mental illness who self-medicate with drugs or alcohol. That one definitely leads to the other is a little tenuous.
Cannabis resin or normal weed (not skunk) is actually relatively harmless, particularly if not smoked.
I know I'd rather people smoked joints than drank alcohol; would rather they had the munchies and rambled on about the universe (marijuana), than pick fights and become aggressive (alcohol)
And as usual ( just like with alcohol) the defensiveness here is quite boring!
Its no good for you, makes one talk drivel and wastes money.
In a medical situation, I can see the need...I am tolerant. For any other
excuse reason I think its a stupid lifestyle choice.
Join the discussion
Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.Register now
Already registered with Mumsnet? Log in to leave your comment or alternatively, sign in with Facebook or Google.
Please login first.