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AIBU to fucking hate the stuff?
I have seen young people change from ambitious, clever intelligent people to gormless idiots who don't give a shit about anything.
And I hate that my do smokes it
I particularly despise this homegrown shite which seriously fucks you up.
Why oh why do people use it?
And AIBU to tell dp not to have anything to do with it any more or is that me being too bossy/controlling?
Frightening links between weed and psychosis.
Just because alcohol is also crap for you doesn't make weed ok.
Thank you * Hermione* succinctly put!
I do have a problem with weed insofar as the image it has is that of an age of free love and hippies, the reality is of course is that it is big business and, not unlike tesco burgers, you never truly know what your getting.
My problem is that as there is a perception that we have lost the war on drugs we should legalise them which I really don't think is quite in our national interest.
hermione Just because alcohol is also crap for you doesn't make weed ok.
Is medical marijuana not ok then?
hermione there may be links but we need to distinguish cause from correlation..I smoked myself into a coma every night for years, I'm absolutely fine
I'm not denying that drugs can be problematic, or suggesting that there are any easy solutions, but some people enjoy getting intoxicated..is it such a bad thing?
I'm intelligent, ambitious and motivated. I used to smoke a fair bit of weed. Like anythig, too much is bad for you, and for a small number of people, any at all is too much. But for most of us, its just something we like to do that is not at all harmful in moderation. Like alcohol.
no need for the hysteria about it.
throughout history and in pretty much every culture people have wanted to get intoxicated. I don't see why it should be alcohol or nothing. I can't bear getting drunk. I don't see why the fact that i prefer a wee smoke should make me criminal. Im not hurting anyone
Frightening links between weed and psychosis Not proven & disputed by a lot of scientists. And even if it were proven true, it's extremely rare.
Nothing, but nothing, is without risk. 500 people a year die taking aspirin. 20 people a year die putting on their socks. A similar number die being electrocuted by their alarm clocks. How many die falling down the stairs?
The simple fact of the matter, whether you like it or you don't, is that marijuana use has very few risks associated with it - nowhere near enough to justify keeping it illegal. It's impossible to overdose from, and it is not physically addictive in the way that alcohol & nicotine are (although people can become dependant on it which is not quite the same thing).
And the 1 joint vs one unit of alcohol causing brain changes is absolute crap. In fact, studies have shown that teenagers drinking 5 units of alcohol a week for 18 months showed evidence of altered brain matter, while those smoking marijuana for the same amount of time showed absolutely none.
This reason that the alcohol vs weed thing is continually brought up is that those of you raising the "risks" of weed seem willing to ignore exactly the same risks with alcohol. Which shows that you've bought into the "weed is immoral and bad" idea & are seeking to justify it with evidence that doesn't exist.
Is there a safe drug? Weather it is alcohol, weed, MDMA - they all have side affects and surely you can get addicted to them all?
so shouldn't of out the xx on! Blame the emails I have just been doing....
The stuff my dad used to have was fine, would just chill him out and give my mum the giggles and then the munchies. 70's/80's.
The shit that's on sale now is really fucking scary stuff. A few drags on half a joint and I couldn't concentrate on forming a sentence in my head - let alone say it out loud. I haven't been near it since and don't want to. It scared me.
IT's ruined a lot of people I know who used to be fine before. I don't know if it's the habbit or the actual stuff they supply now - either way, it's no laughing matter and needs to be delt with harshly.
DH smoked weed daily from his early teens until about a month ago. He's got a good, stable job which he's very good at, plays sports twice a week, is happy to plan and take part in activities, and doesn't seem to have suffered any ill-effects at all. We're now TTC, so he decided all by himself that he'd stop in case it was affecting his sperm quality, and he hasn't had one since. He hasn't shown any ill-effects.
I smoked a lot in my younger days, but then moved towns for work and didn't know where to get it, and didn't bother to find out. After a little while I noticed that I was less anxious and came off anti-depressants. I think it's likely that the two are linked, so I haven't taken it up again.
I don't have a problem with other people doing it, but it doesn't suit me.
"I can not understand why he smokes a mind altering, depressive substance while taking medication for depression!"
I'm not sure if this has been said already, but when something is referred to as being a depressive (as apposed to a stimulant) it means that it depresses things like your heart rate or blood sugar etc and not your mood.
Also, cannabis is prescribed for depression, among other things, in the state of California.
Well, there's been a fair amount of crap posted on this thread, but I would love to see the evidence that cannabis is perscribed for depression in California.
The difference as I see it in cannabis use in young teenagers, vs alcohol, is that I have never yet seen a 14 year old standing waiting for the school bus at 8 am drinking vodka. Alcohol tends to be weekend use only, cannabis can rapidly become an all-day every-day habit.
And, for those who say it is harmless, here is an article and here is one of many studies.
If you ask any mh professional working with teenagers these days, they will tell you that cannabis is used on a daily basis by almost every teenager they come across.
And in addition, you have to realise that all these studies showing the effects on teenagers have been done over a series of years. this one began over 20 year ago, when the quantity of cannibis used was on average much lower, and the strength was certainly nothing like it is today.
Maryz Well, there's been a fair amount of crap posted on this thread, but I would love to see the evidence that cannabis is perscribed for depression in California.
Full list of the 18 states that prescribe medical marijuana
Cannabis is also prescribed here in the UK for MS sufferers More info here
Yes, but where does it say it is prescibed for depression in California?
As oppose to being used by people who have depression and think it helps them?
And I know it is prescribed in the UK for MS, for pain relief. But then, morphine is prescribed in the UK and you wouldn't suggest that a few ml on a Saturday night to relax you would do no harm. Or would you?
I think it is fairly common knowledge that it is, I can find a link if you really want, but I'm sure a quick Google would show up a wealth of evidence. Also, before you pass judgement on me, I don't smoke it, and I think its a waste of time and money, but that's just my opinion, what isn't a matter of opinion however is that there is next to no proof that cannabis causes depression.
Have you read the BMJ article I just linked to?
Frequent cannabis use in teenage girls predicts later depression and anxiety, with daily users carrying the highest risk. Given recent increasing levels of cannabis use, measures to reduce frequent and heavy recreational use seem warranted."
Cannabis is not helpful for depression - I work with drug addiction and mental health. I cannot carry out the usual recommended psychological treatments for depression until a client has reduced their cannabis use. It exacerbates problems with social functioning and also masks the underlying issues, as does alcohol and many other drugs.
Frequent cannabis use in teenage girls predicts later depression and anxiety
All the more reason for it to be regulated with age restrictions like alcohol is. It would be a lot harder for adolescents to get hold of it if there were a licensed vendor in the way.
Ah, come on. That looks like one
nutter person prescribing cannabis for anything . I mean, it looks like he is giving it to people who are schizophrenic, which surely anyone with half a brain would realise wasn't helpful.
That's the problem with the web. Personally I would like to take my facts from the BMJ and The New Scientist, not from pro-cannabis website writers, who just might not be 100% neutral on the matter.
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