ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT: This thread hasn't been posted on for a while.
To be quickly losing respect for Matthew Wright?(70 Posts)
Wright Stuff. Great show, great topics but why, oh why does he choose (some of) the guests he does? They make minimal contribution and what they do say is often cringeworthy. So far I've switched off to: Katie Price, that Scottish one (that's in Corrie) from BB, Rylan and now Speidi.
Generally all people with no real talent other than being famous for being famous. All I need now is the ego that is Paddy McInness and I shall never watch again.
Do like Mathew Wright but I didn't agree with him on this one. I'd say a 18 yr old student is still in a very unpredictable, vulnerable position and should still have a 'family home' as a base.
my mum lives in council housing, now at 75, always will. She moved from a 3 bed (4 kids) to a 1 bed out of choice after we kids left home- heating bills and cleaning mainly.... but she also did not feel it was FAIR to stop a family with children being helped with social housing in the same way she was when my father abandoned us.
When we, her children go "home" as adults, we stay in a hotel room - or kip on a mattress on her floor.
In this country (England) you are deemed an adult, responsible for yourself at the age of 18 - when I went off to college, we lived in a shared hovel, worked in the city where college was and went "home" for a holiday of a couple of weeks in the summer and then at Christmas for a day or two when not working..
So yes, I can see why people should give up their spare room.. social housing is there to meet a NEED not a WANT.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Where I'm from most kids go to uni but still stay at home rather than board at uni or move to the other side of the country. Still see the family home as any children's home until they actually officially move out and have a confirmed home of their own. I think it's a big difference if you have your own home but only visit now and then.
He'll still have a roof over his head, won't he?
There are students out there really struggling because they cannot even apply for a full student loan on their own two feet. They must give their parents' income in order to apply. For example, they have a high-earning step-father who is heavily in debt, or who can afford to pay but doesn't see it as his duty, they can only get the minimum.
And now it's "Well, they're eighteen, they shouldn't want to live with their parents during holidays".
Like TheSecondComing said, they can't have it both ways!
People are being asked to pay a bit more for having a room to spare... the same that people do in the private sector...
or move... to free up that space for the people who have 5 kids in one room and have been on the social housing waiting list for a bigger house for years....
if the up and down sizing is made more fluid, then everybody gets the house of the size they need more quickly.
Why would my mum still be in a 3 bed council house when a 1 bed will do, she has many friends who cling to their 3 beds because they believe they have a "right" to stay where they want to, and "what happens if their family come to stay".
Exactly, bytheway it's that feeling of entitlement that really makes me angry.
Selfish fuckers they are (though this new policy should be means tested, obviously).
So should any 18 yr lds be expected to leave and then their parents can downsize so someone with say children can have their house?
How is it going to become more fluid when OAPs are not affected?
Even if they were more affected, we would need more 1 bed flats into which to move the under-occupying OAPS.
And one bedroom flats for all those 18 yr olds being turfed out of their family homes.
I personally think a 2 bedroom house is not a luxury when you have children who are at University. Yes I agree if you have a 3 or 4 bed then move if the rooms aren't taken up, but it sounds mean just because part of the year you have a spare room. I don't understand why we focus all the venom at the poorest in society.
For what it's worth I'm a single mum who works and rents privately. Social housing isn't available for me but to be honest I wouldn't take it anyway as I can pay for myself and son
just. However I don't think my 73 year old Aunty who lives in a council flat should have to move out of her small all be it 2 bedroomed home she has lived in for 25 years due to circumstances out of her control.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
MW is an odious little twerp.
You get what you deserve.
18 year old students rely on student loans and support from parents or a part time job. What on earth are they meant to do during the holidays? They can't stay at Uni because the student loan usually only covers term time, and they would be unlikly to get a fulltime job paying enough to rent a place, even if they could find one for such a short period of time. The parental home is their home as well imo.
He doesn't have any choice over the guests since BB went to channel 5
I'm sure he hates that just as much as you do OP
It is bloody horrible.
All you lot saying that 18 year olds should be classed as adults, and who cares where their stuff goes and if they have to couch surf - I bet you don't have children that age.
Agree that you can't have it both ways. 18 year olds are classed as dependents for their student loan calculations, so how can they equally be classed as fully independent for their accomodation for a third of the year?
Of course these schemes are dreamed up by people who don't have to worry about finances or social housing personally, and can throw that NEED not WANT statement around with abandon.
And I have no personal axe to grind - I own my own house - but I have a degree of empathy and understanding.
An 18yo away at Uni for part of the year is still a member of the family.
This issue doesn't affect me directly either, but fgs, I don't think this is a good idea.
Terribly sorry GetOrf but I HATED every single minute of relying on social housing as a child - sharing a room with my 2 brothers who were 1 and 2 years younger than me til the age of 16 -so I did something about it, went to college and got myself a good job to get out of there....
I HAVE relied on social housing as a NEED - it would never be a WANT for me..
How about asking some of the people who live in temporary accommodation how they feel about bigger houses being freed up, so they can actually have a home to begin with. The women in the hostels with 2 kids waiting for even a 1 bed flat let alone a 2 bed.
My mum went on an exchange program run by her council so that a family of 4 in a B+B got her 3 bed house and she got a bungalow when someone had moved into a home...
Of course it is a pain having to sleep on the floor when I visit, it was even worse when I was at college and had to share with my brothers or sleep on the floor in a packed house.
So nice that councils nowadays must be providing mansions for all these people to have their own bedroom
i agree with getorf too and this situation doesnt affect me.
Bytheway - don't quite understand, you can have the overcrowding, sharing rooms thing in privately owned houses too. You wanted to leave, you left - what's that got to do with an 18 yr old student being told they are no longer considered, part of someone family when they have no other permanent home.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
agree with McBalls cant stand MW he is an arrogant little shit
For those who think that people with 'spare' rooms should be forced to downsize to free up those houses for families, you could equally argue that if someone needs a larger home to be provided via social housing, perhaps that person should have had fewer kids!
I'm struggling to see why the person who has had kids they can't afford, gets priority over the uni student who needs to return home for 4 months of the year. These are judgements about people's family choices that really have fuck all to do with anyone else, least of all the government.
I hate this idea that council housing is cheap and subsidised by taxpayers - it isn't. It is priced fairly, unlike private housing which is not.
The solution is to build more council houses or cap private rents, not continue to penalise the very poorest for daring to want what richer people take for granted ie, the ability to house one's child when they are home from university for holidays.
I say this as someone who doesn't have a council house and whose dc share a bedroom, so no personal axe to grind here - am just pissed off with this idea that being on benefits/living in a council house = scrounger or layabout!
Join the discussion
Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.Register now
Already registered with Mumsnet? Log in to leave your comment or alternatively, sign in with Facebook or Google.
Please login first.