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To think that soaps *Corrie*, don't really help the cause-DV(51 Posts)
I know it's not real, not everyone watches/believes. But a lot of people do believe these storylines come from real life, are some quite damaging?
The recent Kirsty/Tyrone storyline. Ok so take a real issue, DV against men, then go totally over the top and abusive women pretends to be the victim resulting in abused man being arrested and baby being removed by SS.
A few years ago the Tracey Barlow storyline where she faked DV to kill her boyfriend because he'd cheated on her.
Isn't there always enough of a problem with women not being believed/being afraid to report? Isn't there already enough speculation and media attention on women apparently making up DV as a spiteful tactic to use their children as a weapon?
Wouldn't mind so much if there was a disclaimer at the end stating that it is purely mindless weekday drivel, but they actually claim to be raising awareness of real issues, and people actually believe this shit.
"Most repeat victims of DV are women."
Until extensive research is done into male victims of DV we won't know just how many men are repeat victims of DV.
yes ive thought this, not exactly going to encourage someone to come forward about dv
perhaps the writers, started off with good intentions then it spirled into crazy crazy silly stuff like tyrone abducting the baby and ending up in prison
Most repeat victims of DV are women.
'Actually I think most people here have entirely missed the point I was trying to make. And my point was that actually I don't believe that most women lie'.
Why do you think that?
Unfortunately the soaps are on our tv's for entertainment purposes. I think it's great that they tackle difficult issues, some better than others admittedly.
The ty storyline, I felt, was really well written. The Kirsty character alienated him from his friends and slowly chipped away at his confidence and self respect, both verbally and physically.Of course the fair outcome would be Kirsty getting caught out, Ty and Ruby living happily with Fiz ( God help him!). But this is soap land so there had to be a twist!
The bad guy rarely wins on a soap in the end.
People are talking about male DV so surely that's a good thing, making sure those who do come forward are believed is essential!
It wasn't so long ago that female DV was considered a 'domestic' issue and very few helped or listened, if the same can be done for men, less men will live in fear
How? Corrie have made a start....
matana- excellent post and shocking stats there.
Corrie is doing what it did with Carla's rape storyline i,e deterring rape/ domestic abuse victims from ever reporting it and encouraging them to keep it to themselves. Nice job Corrie. Well done.
"But, you only have to listen to office chat to realise that people actually watch these things and actually believe it's based on true life."
I think that you should take issue with people that are this^ thick then. Soap writers don't exactly have a duty to water down stories (stories, that is what they are) in case Doreen and Brenda by the watercooler confuse them with real life.
I suppose it does happen, though. The girl that plays Kirsty says that she gets abuse in the street off
twats viewers who think that she really beats Alan Halsall with a hoover extension.
I kind of see where you're coming from OP, though i think what concerns me more is the portrayal of the police (and social workers actually!) in all soaps as being unsympathetic, unskilled, lacking empathy, understanding, and social skills etc. Also the fact that getting victims of abuse to come forward is hard enough without soaps running story lines that suggest, when they do come forward, they'll either be ridiculed or called a liar.
I was astounded to find out recently that there were 2 million victims of domestic abuse in the UK last year (admittedly many of these will have been repeat victims), but i was truly staggered to learn that 800,000 of them were men! Not the minority we're all led to believe. I work for a police force that has done a huge amount of work getting people who are suffering domestic abuse to come forward and report it.
Good on Corrie for bringing attention to the subject, but poor show that it had to descend into a storyline that further victimises the poor victim. People do watch these things on TV and while they know they're not real they do believe that they're an accurate reflection of what is going on in society. I would hate people to think that in reporting abuse of any kind they'll be subjected to further abuse and disbelief at the hands of the authorities.
I think one of the issues is that she was in the police so she knows every trick in the book and poor Tyrone, bless him, is not the sharpest tool in the box. So, she will have the upper hand.
From reports I've read, the number of men contacting DV helplines has virtually doubled since the story started. Surely, that has got to be a good thing?
YABU. It's a soap opera, not a documentary. Since when have soaps ever accurately reflected reality? The number of murders and deaths in Albert Square and on Coronation Street are ludicrous.
Surely anyone with a brain knows that both males and females can be victims of domestic abuse and can see that the silly twists in the story on Corrie are there only for dramatic effect...can't they?
What this has highlighted for me is that sometimes some motehrs have too MANY rights. Kirsty kept Ty's name off the birth cert and yet only she can give consent for a DNA test. She has all the power including the power to deprive him of his daughter forever.
No ONE parent should have that much power unless there is a risk of harm. Oh and there's the irony I was looking for...
I'm getting far too invested in the whys and wherefores before the wedding when the whole plot kicked off OldLady!
It's all water under the bridge now I guess...
I think I may hate soaps actually
Well, in RL, a mother can say to the CSA, "Ty is the father of my baby but he's not on the birth cert." And the CSA would say to Ty, "Do you accept that you are the dad?" Ty would then say "Yes", and pay up, or "No." And if he said no, he would be ordered by Court to co-operate.
Don't see why it shouldn't work the other way round, but I'm no lawyer (and soap law isn't always Real Law anyway.)
Sounds like he couldn't?
Or even swab her himself using those kits and send it off, he looked after her all day - or would that not stand up in court?
<realises is irrelevant fretting about this now!>
Couldn't Ty get a Court Order for a DNA test?
Ah, I didn't know that rubberbullets.
It's so sad not to have had a positive outcome for Ty. Corrie is following in Eastenders' misery footsteps. I've stopped watching EE as it depressed me so much!
I often work with victims of DV, both men and women. Men are rarely believed and often ridiculed for not 'hitting her back'. I've heard men called wimps and laughed at! Do we do this to female victims of DV? I think Corrie should tackle this issue. An abuser is manipulative and scheming. Doesn't matter whether its a man or woman.
I think the mother has to give consent for the DNA test to happen and there is no way that Kirsty would ever agree to that
What I don't understand is this whole storyline exploded because Ty wasn't on the birth certificate.
Could he not have not married her, then applied to have a DNA test through the courts
or on Jeremy Kyle?
Then he would have had access to Ruby, in just the way he was hoping to by marrying Kirstie.
I don't whether that's possible, but surely it would be?
I do think that all of the storylines that are connected to Fiz are more like a bad panto, though. That needs to stop, she cannot be that stupid.
My frustration was that Tyrone was given incorrect advise (thanks to thick Fiz) about PR and because of this did not report at the time that it was happening.
The rest i felt was realistic, having dealt with male victims of DV and having to deal with collegues, who should know better, treating it as a joke.
I hope that in the end, it is explained to Tyrone what his options were, so that people are informed, about the options that male victims have.
It highlights that perpetrators do manipulate and often press charges too both men and women
that is why when looking at dv rates you need to real the full reports and stats
There is not enough support for all victims of ds, awareness that men can be victims too but to say there is no support is not true just not enough
Faircity had this storyline about 2 years ago.And they did it much more believable.
The wife was the abuser and she tried to turn it on her husband.She was arrested and went to counselling.
Corrie started out really well and now its just gone crap,poor Tyrone but he should have had his injuries photographed and put somewhere safe.
Sparkly: "I don't believe that most women lie"
But, you only have to listen to office chat to realise that people actually watch these things and actually believe it's based on true life
You work with people who think soaps are real? The problem is with them not Corrie writers!
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